> it has been repeatedly explained to me that theh make their bikes louder to be heard for safety I always found that argument to be a bit of a red herring. _

> it has been repeatedly explained to me that theh make their bikes louder to be heard for safety I always found that argument to be a bit of a red herring. _Even if_ that was true and _even if_ the only way to safely ride a motorcycle was by disturbing every single person you pass by on the street, that still doesn't justify people riding loud bikes. At that point, you are making a deliberate, selfish choice that your enjoyment of riding a bike is more important than other people's comfort. It's like someone bringing smelly food on a plane and saying they're justified because it's the only way they can eat their favourite dish. We don't go "oh, they're right, the smell is necessary for them to enjoy their food." We go "just eat something else, you're being selfish".