>Motorcycles are even worse. With motorcycles, it's a choice, but loud bikes are tied very closely to perceived power and manliness for some riders, plus the w

>Motorcycles are even worse. With motorcycles, it's a choice, but loud bikes are tied very closely to perceived power and manliness for some riders, plus the whole patently-bullshit POV of "loud pipes save lives." Honestly, it's MOSTLY Harley riders, at least in the US. I have a motorcycle. It's louder than a car is, but it's not obnoxiously loud at all. You can't hear it from inside YOUR car, for example. Further, I can have a conversation with someone without turning the bike off. MOST motorcycles are like this, in fact. But the loud assholes kinda ruin the overall reputation for everyone.