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> I found the discussion to be mostly very civilized and focused on finding solutions for those affected. I really disagree with this characterization of the d

by __jem 3y ago

> I found the discussion to be mostly very civilized and focused on finding solutions for those affected. I really disagree with this characterization of the discussion. While there's plenty of more or less dispassionate comments focused on finding a solution, there's a greater number of people from the peanut gallery drowning that out with comments that amount to "I don't like this!" at best and questioning the integrity of dtonlay at worst. I feel like this demonstrates some of the worst features of open source software on github, where a bunch of nobodies feel the need to add their totally useless input rather than participating in good faith to find solutions and make the software better. You even see comments like that here, speculating that dtonlay is trying to break cargo and force people to use bazel, which is just an insanely conspiratorial and bad faith speculative interpretation that is obviously untrue and helps no one.

shkkmo 3y ago
> While there's plenty of more or less dispassionate comments focused on finding a solution, there's a greater number of people from the peanut gallery drowning that out with comments that amount to "I don't like this!" at best and questioning the integrity of dtonlay at worst. Only see comments doing that are on here. The comments on the github issue are all pretty productive and constructive. The worst is the commentator that calls the approach 'despicable', but also provides constructive feedback and helps describe the problem.
- Ygg2 3y ago
  > Only see comments doing that are on here. Reddit comments went into tinfoil hat territory. Discord comments went into calling for dtolnay's head.
  - shkkmo 3y ago
    Right, but the original characterization was clearly about the discussion on the github issue that was closed.
    - Ygg2 3y ago
      Even if it was civil it was going to annoy the hell out of maintainer due to sheer number of notificiations. I was by accident in Chrome WEI commit, simply horrible number of notifications. Also I'm not lying about (albeit hyperbolic) calls for dtolnay's head. From one of Rust Discords. https://imgur.com/a/ei6wzxW https://imgur.com/a/ei6wzxW
      - slikrick 3y ago
        you just still don't make sense in your replies to users. literally no one asked about discord or reddit, this conversation is about the GitHub discussion. don't move goalposts
        Ygg2 3y ago
        I didn't move the goalpost - it's how I interpreted the peanut gallery part. But ok, let's say limiting yourself only to GitHub comments, you can still find doubt casting and uncharitable interpretations: > Nice micro-optimization. And if you bury your head deep enough into the sand, doesn't sacrifice anything important either. > "The only supported way ..." is a polite way of saying "Works for me, WONTFIX". > Another interpretation of an earlier comment is that he is all-in on bazel/buck and does not care about cargo. Both interpretations have me concerned. > And ~80 comments with "This doesn't work for me". Even in this case, the __jem comments make sense. Many people are just writing their version, "I don't like this, " meaning any interesting message is drowned out by noise. THAT will make any maintainer limit to contributors.
        shkkmo 3y ago
        Are you just making stuff up? Not one of those quotes are comments are on the github issue that was closed and which was being discussed in this thread: https://github.com/serde-rs/serde/issues/2538 https://github.com/serde-rs/serde/issues/2538 I already referenced the worst comment and it falls closer to brutally honest than actually rude.

by __jem 3y ago

shkkmo 3y ago

> While there's plenty of more or less dispassionate comments focused on finding a solution, there's a greater number of people from the peanut gallery drowning that out with comments that amount to "I don't like this!" at best and questioning the integrity of dtonlay at worst. Only see comments doing that are on here. The comments on the github issue are all pretty productive and constructive. The worst is the commentator that calls the approach 'despicable', but also provides constructive feedback and helps describe the problem.

Ygg2 3y ago
> Only see comments doing that are on here. Reddit comments went into tinfoil hat territory. Discord comments went into calling for dtolnay's head.
- shkkmo 3y ago
  Right, but the original characterization was clearly about the discussion on the github issue that was closed.
  - Ygg2 3y ago
    Even if it was civil it was going to annoy the hell out of maintainer due to sheer number of notificiations. I was by accident in Chrome WEI commit, simply horrible number of notifications. Also I'm not lying about (albeit hyperbolic) calls for dtolnay's head. From one of Rust Discords. https://imgur.com/a/ei6wzxW https://imgur.com/a/ei6wzxW
    - slikrick 3y ago
      you just still don't make sense in your replies to users. literally no one asked about discord or reddit, this conversation is about the GitHub discussion. don't move goalposts
      - Ygg2 3y ago
        I didn't move the goalpost - it's how I interpreted the peanut gallery part. But ok, let's say limiting yourself only to GitHub comments, you can still find doubt casting and uncharitable interpretations: > Nice micro-optimization. And if you bury your head deep enough into the sand, doesn't sacrifice anything important either. > "The only supported way ..." is a polite way of saying "Works for me, WONTFIX". > Another interpretation of an earlier comment is that he is all-in on bazel/buck and does not care about cargo. Both interpretations have me concerned. > And ~80 comments with "This doesn't work for me". Even in this case, the __jem comments make sense. Many people are just writing their version, "I don't like this, " meaning any interesting message is drowned out by noise. THAT will make any maintainer limit to contributors.
        shkkmo 3y ago
        Are you just making stuff up? Not one of those quotes are comments are on the github issue that was closed and which was being discussed in this thread: https://github.com/serde-rs/serde/issues/2538 https://github.com/serde-rs/serde/issues/2538 I already referenced the worst comment and it falls closer to brutally honest than actually rude.