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To Samsung's credit, they tend to fix firmware problems eventually. As such, by avoiding recently-released drives, I've had nothing but positive experiences wi

To Samsung's credit, they tend to fix firmware problems eventually. As such, by avoiding recently-released drives, I've had nothing but positive experiences with my fifteen or so Samsung drives, including several models that originally shipped with serious firmware bugs. While essentially obsolete at this point, I've also had excellent long-term experiences with (pre-WD) HGST SAS SSDs that use third-party (Intel) flash.

robotnikman 3y ago
Same, I can vouch for them as well. I still have one thats nearly a decade old and still being used fine.
Tijdreiziger 3y ago
Kingston still seems to make their own flash and controllers too. They’ve been around for a long time (since the 80s, per Wikipedia) https://www.kingston.com/en/solutions/embedded-and-industrial https://www.kingston.com/en/solutions/embedded-and-industria...
- ciupicri 3y ago
  Let's not forget the Kingston V300 scandal [1]: > The first generation V300 (which was sampled to media) used Toshiba's 19nm Toggle-Mode 2.0 NAND but some time ago Kingston silently switched to Micron's 20nm asynchronous NAND. The difference between the two is that the Toggle-Mode 2.0 interface in the Toshiba NAND is good for up to 200MB/s, whereas the asynchronous interface is usually good for only ~50MB/s. The reason I say usually is that Kingston wasn't willing to go into details about the speed of the asynchronous NAND they use and the ONFI spec doesn't list maximum bandwidth for the single data rate (i.e. asynchronous) NAND. However, even though we lack the specifics of the asynchronous NAND, it's certain that we are dealing with slower NAND here and Kingston admitted that the Micron NAND isn't capable of the same performance as the older Toshiba NAND. [1]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ssdnow-v300-a-switch-to-slower-micron-nand https://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ss...
- gruez 3y ago
  It depends on the specific product. For instance the KC3000 uses Phison E18 + Micron 176-Layer 3D TLC combo[1] that's used by a bunch of other brands[2]. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/ https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/ [2] https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/?f&controller=Phison+E18&layers=10&flashMfgr=Micron https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/?f&controller=Phison+E...

robotnikman 3y ago

Same, I can vouch for them as well. I still have one thats nearly a decade old and still being used fine.

Tijdreiziger 3y ago

Kingston still seems to make their own flash and controllers too. They’ve been around for a long time (since the 80s, per Wikipedia) https://www.kingston.com/en/solutions/embedded-and-industrial https://www.kingston.com/en/solutions/embedded-and-industria...

ciupicri 3y ago
Let's not forget the Kingston V300 scandal [1]: > The first generation V300 (which was sampled to media) used Toshiba's 19nm Toggle-Mode 2.0 NAND but some time ago Kingston silently switched to Micron's 20nm asynchronous NAND. The difference between the two is that the Toggle-Mode 2.0 interface in the Toshiba NAND is good for up to 200MB/s, whereas the asynchronous interface is usually good for only ~50MB/s. The reason I say usually is that Kingston wasn't willing to go into details about the speed of the asynchronous NAND they use and the ONFI spec doesn't list maximum bandwidth for the single data rate (i.e. asynchronous) NAND. However, even though we lack the specifics of the asynchronous NAND, it's certain that we are dealing with slower NAND here and Kingston admitted that the Micron NAND isn't capable of the same performance as the older Toshiba NAND. [1]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ssdnow-v300-a-switch-to-slower-micron-nand https://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ss...
gruez 3y ago
It depends on the specific product. For instance the KC3000 uses Phison E18 + Micron 176-Layer 3D TLC combo[1] that's used by a bunch of other brands[2]. [1] https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/ https://www.techpowerup.com/review/kingston-kc3000/ [2] https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/?f&controller=Phison+E18&layers=10&flashMfgr=Micron https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-specs/?f&controller=Phison+E...