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Imagine if the same applied to HN. Can some trollish comment slightly annoying tens of thousands of passing readers be a good cause for punishing the user that

Imagine if the same applied to HN. Can some trollish comment slightly annoying tens of thousands of passing readers be a good cause for punishing the user that made it? And how severe should that punishment be?

bradleyjg 3y ago
What does it take to bring recurrences to a minimum-—both for that person and others? I don’t especially want to have the police seize loud car guy’s car, but if that’s what it takes, I’m all for it.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  How do you forsee a bill getting enough votes to make even a minor change, let alone 'whatever it takes', that could potentially penalize tens of thousands of people? Won't they all band up to defeat your proposal?
  - bradleyjg 3y ago
    What happens in practice is that those thousands of people degrade the quality of life of millions of people. Those millions, don’t do anything, and don’t do anything, and don’t do anything, and then elect a populist right winger running on a law and order platform. Then you get all kinds of distraught think-pieces from distraught 25 year old graduates of elite art colleges wondering how this could possibly have happened.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      How does this relate to my previous questions?
      - bradleyjg 3y ago
        You’re a smart guy, figure it out.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        No? The onus, going by HN norms, is on the replier to make the connection readily understandable.
delecti 3y ago
You've actually raised a fantastic real example of this in practice. If I post a trollish comment, it'll likely get downvoted and/or flagged/hidden. In plausibly accidental cases, someone might leave a comment saying "you're likely getting downvoted because <douchey thing>." If I demonstrate a significant pattern of the same, I'll get shadowbanned (or fully banned). You don't need to behead drivers of annoying bikes, but chastisement, mild punishment, and then significant punishment, is a sensible escalation. One potential system might be where the first offense gets a warning to fix the problem, the second offense gets a ticket and order to fix the problem, and the third gets the vehicle impounded.

bradleyjg 3y ago

What does it take to bring recurrences to a minimum-—both for that person and others? I don’t especially want to have the police seize loud car guy’s car, but if that’s what it takes, I’m all for it.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
How do you forsee a bill getting enough votes to make even a minor change, let alone 'whatever it takes', that could potentially penalize tens of thousands of people? Won't they all band up to defeat your proposal?
- bradleyjg 3y ago
  What happens in practice is that those thousands of people degrade the quality of life of millions of people. Those millions, don’t do anything, and don’t do anything, and don’t do anything, and then elect a populist right winger running on a law and order platform. Then you get all kinds of distraught think-pieces from distraught 25 year old graduates of elite art colleges wondering how this could possibly have happened.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    How does this relate to my previous questions?
    - bradleyjg 3y ago
      You’re a smart guy, figure it out.
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        No? The onus, going by HN norms, is on the replier to make the connection readily understandable.

delecti 3y ago

You've actually raised a fantastic real example of this in practice. If I post a trollish comment, it'll likely get downvoted and/or flagged/hidden. In plausibly accidental cases, someone might leave a comment saying "you're likely getting downvoted because <douchey thing>." If I demonstrate a significant pattern of the same, I'll get shadowbanned (or fully banned). You don't need to behead drivers of annoying bikes, but chastisement, mild punishment, and then significant punishment, is a sensible escalation. One potential system might be where the first offense gets a warning to fix the problem, the second offense gets a ticket and order to fix the problem, and the third gets the vehicle impounded.