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How about we have appliances without remote controls? What benefit does "cloud" offer a 3d printer? Couldn't all the same features be offered with local comput

How about we have appliances without remote controls? What benefit does "cloud" offer a 3d printer? Couldn't all the same features be offered with local computing? Isn't "cloud" just a route for trouble for almost all users? I'm leery of the whole "image recognition to spot errors" thing anyway. you've got far more direct inputs to monitor. is image recognition truly that reliable or is it not just a source of more errors when the recognition software goes awry?

infocollector 3y ago
I think we need a regulation 1. Any personal images/data sent to cloud need a FDA approval. (FDA = Federal Data Administration) 2. Any person working in this agency is banned for life to work in the private data sector for life (it better be lucrative to work there). 3. ... perhaps fill any loopholes you see here as you move along ... (along with percentage of revenue punishments for each loophole used first time)
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  The summary executions will continue until total privacy is achieved.
- tzs 3y ago
  > 2. Any person working in this agency is banned for life to work in the private data sector for life (it better be lucrative to work there). What about the other way around? Can someone who works in the private data sector leave and go to work for the agency?
- dwaite 3y ago
  > I think we need a regulation 1. Any personal images/data sent to cloud need a FDA approval. (FDA = Federal Data Administration) So not just new regulation, but an entirely new regulatory body. Also, the Food and Drug Administration will have to change their name to something else.
542458 3y ago
Please don’t take the following as an endorsement of Bambu. > What benefit does "cloud" offer a 3d printer? A large print can take 24 hours or more. Offering the ability to walk away and check-in and issue commands remotely is useful to people. (Yes, you shouldn’t leave a printer unattended, but the basic reality is people do leave their printers unattended anyways.) > I'm leery of the whole "image recognition to spot errors" thing anyway. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it could work well. The main issue being monitored for here is “has the print prematurely detached from the bed”, which I’d imagine should be possible to reliably detect with a known camera, angle, and print characteristics.
- xeromal 3y ago
  This right here. I have a crappy mono price 3d printer that I've hooked up to a belkin outlet that I can turn off. I point one of my cameras at it and check in on long prints and am able to cut the power if I notice a bad print job. It's pretty handy and helps me rest easy knowing I have one more way to prevent a fire.
  - traverseda 3y ago
    I think just cutting the power like that can lead to melt zone creep and nozzle clogs, especially with higher temperature filaments. If you're not experiencing that though it's probably fine. Maybe toggle the power on and off so the hotend fan continues to work.
    - xeromal 3y ago
      I only have the switch for when there's an emergency or a print is going crazy and I'm too far away to go fix it. Pretty much the last resort option. I've never even needed to use it
- regularfry 3y ago
  > > I'm leery of the whole "image recognition to spot errors" thing anyway. > I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it could work well. It's been done before, although others with actual experience of Spaghetti Detective will have to chime in with whether it works well.
stainablesteel 3y ago
i don't see why it isn't a viable business model either just make people a printer and you don't need to develop a massive IT overhead wouldn't this give you the ability to sell a cheaper product while marketing yourself as "not selling your customers information"?
- Filligree 3y ago
  And almost every cheap 3D printer does this. You won’t have trouble finding one. The reality is that Bambu makes a premium product, in part precisely due to the cloud features. Which you can turn off, or never activate, but no-one does. Printers like these really genuinely do benefit from cloud connectivity. Unfortunately that doesn’t mean you can skip on QC…
- dylan604 3y ago
  >just make people a printer and you don't need to develop a massive IT overhead but think of all of those off-shored jobs you'd be taking away!
gjsman-1000 3y ago
> How about we have appliances without remote controls? The Bambu systems work just fine from a microSD card without an internet connection at setup or in use. The Cloud is optional, and I think that any user who decides to use the cloud should be aware of the logical risks included. > Couldn't all the same features be offered with local computing? Isn't "cloud" just a route for trouble for almost all users? Many can, including viewing the cameras, which now work just fine with LAN mode on Bambu printers. However, I would argue people want to remotely check on their prints (what if I started a 12-hour print, left for work, and want to make sure it looks good at lunch?). The alternative there is opening ports on their router which, for the average person, is a much worse and less secure idea.

infocollector 3y ago

I think we need a regulation 1. Any personal images/data sent to cloud need a FDA approval. (FDA = Federal Data Administration) 2. Any person working in this agency is banned for life to work in the private data sector for life (it better be lucrative to work there). 3. ... perhaps fill any loopholes you see here as you move along ... (along with percentage of revenue punishments for each loophole used first time)

birdyrooster 3y ago
The summary executions will continue until total privacy is achieved.
tzs 3y ago
> 2. Any person working in this agency is banned for life to work in the private data sector for life (it better be lucrative to work there). What about the other way around? Can someone who works in the private data sector leave and go to work for the agency?
dwaite 3y ago
> I think we need a regulation 1. Any personal images/data sent to cloud need a FDA approval. (FDA = Federal Data Administration) So not just new regulation, but an entirely new regulatory body. Also, the Food and Drug Administration will have to change their name to something else.

542458 3y ago

Please don’t take the following as an endorsement of Bambu. > What benefit does "cloud" offer a 3d printer? A large print can take 24 hours or more. Offering the ability to walk away and check-in and issue commands remotely is useful to people. (Yes, you shouldn’t leave a printer unattended, but the basic reality is people do leave their printers unattended anyways.) > I'm leery of the whole "image recognition to spot errors" thing anyway. I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it could work well. The main issue being monitored for here is “has the print prematurely detached from the bed”, which I’d imagine should be possible to reliably detect with a known camera, angle, and print characteristics.

xeromal 3y ago
This right here. I have a crappy mono price 3d printer that I've hooked up to a belkin outlet that I can turn off. I point one of my cameras at it and check in on long prints and am able to cut the power if I notice a bad print job. It's pretty handy and helps me rest easy knowing I have one more way to prevent a fire.
- traverseda 3y ago
  I think just cutting the power like that can lead to melt zone creep and nozzle clogs, especially with higher temperature filaments. If you're not experiencing that though it's probably fine. Maybe toggle the power on and off so the hotend fan continues to work.
  - xeromal 3y ago
    I only have the switch for when there's an emergency or a print is going crazy and I'm too far away to go fix it. Pretty much the last resort option. I've never even needed to use it
regularfry 3y ago
> > I'm leery of the whole "image recognition to spot errors" thing anyway. > I don’t think it’s inconceivable that it could work well. It's been done before, although others with actual experience of Spaghetti Detective will have to chime in with whether it works well.

stainablesteel 3y ago

i don't see why it isn't a viable business model either just make people a printer and you don't need to develop a massive IT overhead wouldn't this give you the ability to sell a cheaper product while marketing yourself as "not selling your customers information"?

Filligree 3y ago
And almost every cheap 3D printer does this. You won’t have trouble finding one. The reality is that Bambu makes a premium product, in part precisely due to the cloud features. Which you can turn off, or never activate, but no-one does. Printers like these really genuinely do benefit from cloud connectivity. Unfortunately that doesn’t mean you can skip on QC…
dylan604 3y ago
>just make people a printer and you don't need to develop a massive IT overhead but think of all of those off-shored jobs you'd be taking away!

gjsman-1000 3y ago

> How about we have appliances without remote controls? The Bambu systems work just fine from a microSD card without an internet connection at setup or in use. The Cloud is optional, and I think that any user who decides to use the cloud should be aware of the logical risks included. > Couldn't all the same features be offered with local computing? Isn't "cloud" just a route for trouble for almost all users? Many can, including viewing the cameras, which now work just fine with LAN mode on Bambu printers. However, I would argue people want to remotely check on their prints (what if I started a 12-hour print, left for work, and want to make sure it looks good at lunch?). The alternative there is opening ports on their router which, for the average person, is a much worse and less secure idea.