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I regularly lie awake as some idiot is racing round residential London streets in the distance, in densely populated areas it must be in the thousands of people
by _Wintermute 3y ago
I regularly lie awake as some idiot is racing round residential London streets in the distance, in densely populated areas it must be in the thousands of people that are being disrupted by a single person.
- bradleyjg 3y agothousands of people that are being disrupted by a single person We are in a very weird place as a culture where this isn’t necessarily considered a slam dunk to come down super hard on whatever it is. The pendulum has swung way too far, we need to move back in the direction of protecting the community.
- mistercheph 3y ago[flagged]
- ryandrake 3y agoHa-ha, but seriously: Society seems to have lost the ability to curb "annoying, mildly belligerent, but not strictly illegal" antisocial behavior. Used to be, if someone did some taboo thing that irritated everyone around them, the community would shame him for it. Now, you say something to them, and everyone whips their phone out and you're suddenly the Village Karen, butting your nose in where it doesn't belong. From loud motorcycles to cutting in queue, to abusing retail workers, to holding up traffic to take a selfie, to TikTok "pranks", everyone can basically get away with being a narcissistic asshole, and everyone else just keeps their heads down, desperately minding their own business.
- baz00 3y agoIn the 90s, the small town I lived in had a local community triple action principle. This was demonstrated on a little shit that had a noisy Renault 5 that used to get revved up all the time for no reason (between begging for £5 worth of fuel at the petrol station to keep it alive). The first time he pissed someone off, it cost him a new tyre with a warning posted under the windscreen wiper, the second time it cost him a windscreen and a tyre. The third time the car had to be scraped off the road with a pick axe after being torched. The police saw nothing and did not do anything about it because they were happy with the outcome.
- germinalphrase 3y agoAka vigilante justice - the avoidance of which is (typically) one of the primary existential purposes of formal law enforcement.
- bradleyjg 3y agoThe deal is that formal law enforcement is reasonably effective meting out justice and that private parties people forgo pursuing their own. A deal can be broken by either side.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoImagine if the same applied to HN. Can some trollish comment slightly annoying tens of thousands of passing readers be a good cause for punishing the user that made it? And how severe should that punishment be?
- bradleyjg 3y agoWhat does it take to bring recurrences to a minimum-—both for that person and others? I don’t especially want to have the police seize loud car guy’s car, but if that’s what it takes, I’m all for it.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoHow do you forsee a bill getting enough votes to make even a minor change, let alone 'whatever it takes', that could potentially penalize tens of thousands of people? Won't they all band up to defeat your proposal?
- bradleyjg 3y agoWhat happens in practice is that those thousands of people degrade the quality of life of millions of people. Those millions, don’t do anything, and don’t do anything, and don’t do anything, and then elect a populist right winger running on a law and order platform. Then you get all kinds of distraught think-pieces from distraught 25 year old graduates of elite art colleges wondering how this could possibly have happened.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoHow does this relate to my previous questions?
- bradleyjg 3y agoYou’re a smart guy, figure it out.
- ffhhttt 3y agoMaybe a bit to extreme? For first few offenses a few days in the stocks sounds reasonable, the second time we take an ear and for third offense you can pick between the gallows or being shipped to Australia.