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> desperate to rationalize their purchase of mediocre hardware at a 10x markup Are silly claims like this necessary? Yes, Apple massively overcharges on memory

by qwytw 3y ago

> desperate to rationalize their purchase of mediocre hardware at a 10x markup Are silly claims like this necessary? Yes, Apple massively overcharges on memory and storage upgrades because their users obviously have no other options... But besides Macs are pretty good value if you're prioritizing battery life, slimness and fan sound. I guess latest XPS 15/17 are fairly competitive with MBP 14/16. Especially if you don't care about battery life and heat that much, the 13700H/ 13900H seem to be on par with the M2 Pro/Max. The base price is up to $500 lower and you get replaceable RAM (also slower) and 2 m2 slots. However I don't think there is anything that's close the the M2 Air on the market atm?

re-thc 3y ago
> I guess latest XPS 15/17 are fairly competitive with MBP 14/16. Nah, there's been a history of poor QA and just general poor build issues. Have they fixed the coil whine yet? It's still there last I checked.
smoldesu 3y ago
> I don't think there is anything that's close the the M2 Air on the market atm? I will be "that guy"; the original M1 Macbook Air struggled to compete with the Ryzen 4800u at launch. Current Ryzen mobile chips put up very well against the M2, considering the architecture gap: https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1604691 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1604691 This is the sort of discussion the grandparent comment was lamenting though. Honest-to-god, none of this matters; dev shops will use whatever they need at the end of the day. Infecting the discussion with pedestrian "muh ARM revolution" comments always ruins it though. I like ARM for reading e-books as much as the next guy, but server use is a whole different discussion. Even mentioning Apple's consumer offerings is a punch-line like saying you want to beat OpenAI using consumer-grade GPUs. They exist in the ARM space, but they could not be any less-present in the server one. Their relationship to the topic at-hand is fraught and near non-existent if it weren't for their history of failure with Xserve.

by qwytw 3y ago

re-thc 3y ago

> I guess latest XPS 15/17 are fairly competitive with MBP 14/16. Nah, there's been a history of poor QA and just general poor build issues. Have they fixed the coil whine yet? It's still there last I checked.

smoldesu 3y ago

> I don't think there is anything that's close the the M2 Air on the market atm? I will be "that guy"; the original M1 Macbook Air struggled to compete with the Ryzen 4800u at launch. Current Ryzen mobile chips put up very well against the M2, considering the architecture gap: https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1604691 https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/1604691 This is the sort of discussion the grandparent comment was lamenting though. Honest-to-god, none of this matters; dev shops will use whatever they need at the end of the day. Infecting the discussion with pedestrian "muh ARM revolution" comments always ruins it though. I like ARM for reading e-books as much as the next guy, but server use is a whole different discussion. Even mentioning Apple's consumer offerings is a punch-line like saying you want to beat OpenAI using consumer-grade GPUs. They exist in the ARM space, but they could not be any less-present in the server one. Their relationship to the topic at-hand is fraught and near non-existent if it weren't for their history of failure with Xserve.