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Cities aren’t loud. Cars are loud. Especially the ones that are modified or designed to be loud. Given the newest research regarding excessive noise’s impact o

by dangus 3y ago

Cities aren’t loud. Cars are loud. Especially the ones that are modified or designed to be loud. Given the newest research regarding excessive noise’s impact on human, I wish more countries put some kind of effort into reducing noise on roads like the Netherlands does (this isn’t the only thing they do).

317070 3y ago
I was reading your message, why an airplane was flying overhead. There is more than just cars that make noise, but at least we have all the tools and technology to make cars in cities almost completely quiet.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Indeed. The airport this plane was approaching was converted into an asylum processing centre for Ukrainians, the replacement is just outside the city limits: https://youtu.be/OIu-dDKCBoI https://youtu.be/OIu-dDKCBoI It was, naturally, much louder IRL than it seems in this clip.
- Steltek 3y ago
  > make cars in cities almost completely quiet. Yes, by getting rid of them. A well designed city doesn't need private automobiles.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Do you have an existing city in mind as a model?
    - booleandilemma 3y ago
      I've lived in nyc for close to 20 years and never needed own a car. Between the subway, buses, and taxis (and uber, etc. nowadays) there is no reason to own a car unless you're using it to drive others around.
    - dangus 3y ago
      https://youtu.be/R2oD1ZHNMFE https://youtu.be/R2oD1ZHNMFE https://youtu.be/ZQkz-mDmURs https://youtu.be/ZQkz-mDmURs Massive car reductions: https://youtu.be/ZORzsubQA_M https://youtu.be/ZORzsubQA_M https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/forward-thinking-utrecht-builds-car-free-district-for-12000-people https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/forward-thinki...
  - aa1234556 3y ago
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  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    It does need them, just not on every corner and just as last resort after foot, public transport, bikes and rentals, but car's shouldn't be banned, just regulated
- moooo99 3y ago
  > There is more than just cars that make noise, There is, but there is a vast difference in how much noise and when they make noise. I live next to a tram line with a 10-minute schedule. 12 trams/hour are substantially less annoying noisewise than the constant influx of cars the whole day.
csydas 3y ago
I'm not sure how common it is over Europe, but at least in Prague and in Amsterdam, there are very active campaigns regarding respectful noise levels in the major city areas, which most people seem to be pretty okay with. I still see huge groups drinking and smoking outside every night at the pubs near where I live, but I can't say I've ever needed to complain about their noise levels, so people definitely seem on board with it; I can't say I've ever seen/heard persons getting into a heated discussion over noise, but naturally this is just my limited point of view and reality may differ. Edit: also, just remembered that I even saw a more active approach to this when I lived in Saint Petersburg, Russia, where a few bars even had a "noise meter" outside the bar (just a simple dim but legible LED screen with the purported noise level and a sign explaining that if the number is > N, you're being too loud). It seemed to work pretty well.
ysavir 3y ago
People are loud. If you live in a city where people walk around, you'll hear every conversation from your street-facing windows. Cars are more obnoxious for sure, but they're hardly the exclusive problem contributing to noise.
- soderfoo 3y ago
  Stockholm is creepily quiet sometimes. I say this as a New Yorker who needs some kind of background ruckus to sleep.
- momirlan 3y ago
  stayed for a week in Barcelona. there was this little park in front of the hotel where some chirpy homeless people spent the whole night talking. not overly annoying as it was a constant noise.
andsoitis 3y ago
Delivery trucks are even louder than cars. The difference is acute in a place like Manhattan.
- masklinn 3y ago
  There is not a constant stream of delivery trucks under most people's windows. Furthermore it's likely easier to bring the hammer on delivery trucks if and when they become the primary issue, as those tend to have registration and responsible companies.
- rascul 3y ago
  In my experience, delivery trucks with very loud aftermarket exhaust aren't drag racing in residential areas at 2AM like cars do. I moved out of the city a few years ago though so maybe they do now.

by dangus 3y ago

317070 3y ago

I was reading your message, why an airplane was flying overhead. There is more than just cars that make noise, but at least we have all the tools and technology to make cars in cities almost completely quiet.

ben_w 3y ago
Indeed. The airport this plane was approaching was converted into an asylum processing centre for Ukrainians, the replacement is just outside the city limits: https://youtu.be/OIu-dDKCBoI https://youtu.be/OIu-dDKCBoI It was, naturally, much louder IRL than it seems in this clip.
Steltek 3y ago
> make cars in cities almost completely quiet. Yes, by getting rid of them. A well designed city doesn't need private automobiles.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  Do you have an existing city in mind as a model?
  - booleandilemma 3y ago
    I've lived in nyc for close to 20 years and never needed own a car. Between the subway, buses, and taxis (and uber, etc. nowadays) there is no reason to own a car unless you're using it to drive others around.
  - dangus 3y ago
    https://youtu.be/R2oD1ZHNMFE https://youtu.be/R2oD1ZHNMFE https://youtu.be/ZQkz-mDmURs https://youtu.be/ZQkz-mDmURs Massive car reductions: https://youtu.be/ZORzsubQA_M https://youtu.be/ZORzsubQA_M https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/forward-thinking-utrecht-builds-car-free-district-for-12000-people https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/forward-thinki...
- aa1234556 3y ago
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- Moldoteck 3y ago
  It does need them, just not on every corner and just as last resort after foot, public transport, bikes and rentals, but car's shouldn't be banned, just regulated
moooo99 3y ago
> There is more than just cars that make noise, There is, but there is a vast difference in how much noise and when they make noise. I live next to a tram line with a 10-minute schedule. 12 trams/hour are substantially less annoying noisewise than the constant influx of cars the whole day.

csydas 3y ago

I'm not sure how common it is over Europe, but at least in Prague and in Amsterdam, there are very active campaigns regarding respectful noise levels in the major city areas, which most people seem to be pretty okay with. I still see huge groups drinking and smoking outside every night at the pubs near where I live, but I can't say I've ever needed to complain about their noise levels, so people definitely seem on board with it; I can't say I've ever seen/heard persons getting into a heated discussion over noise, but naturally this is just my limited point of view and reality may differ. Edit: also, just remembered that I even saw a more active approach to this when I lived in Saint Petersburg, Russia, where a few bars even had a "noise meter" outside the bar (just a simple dim but legible LED screen with the purported noise level and a sign explaining that if the number is > N, you're being too loud). It seemed to work pretty well.

ysavir 3y ago

People are loud. If you live in a city where people walk around, you'll hear every conversation from your street-facing windows. Cars are more obnoxious for sure, but they're hardly the exclusive problem contributing to noise.

soderfoo 3y ago
Stockholm is creepily quiet sometimes. I say this as a New Yorker who needs some kind of background ruckus to sleep.
momirlan 3y ago
stayed for a week in Barcelona. there was this little park in front of the hotel where some chirpy homeless people spent the whole night talking. not overly annoying as it was a constant noise.

andsoitis 3y ago

Delivery trucks are even louder than cars. The difference is acute in a place like Manhattan.

masklinn 3y ago
There is not a constant stream of delivery trucks under most people's windows. Furthermore it's likely easier to bring the hammer on delivery trucks if and when they become the primary issue, as those tend to have registration and responsible companies.
rascul 3y ago
In my experience, delivery trucks with very loud aftermarket exhaust aren't drag racing in residential areas at 2AM like cars do. I moved out of the city a few years ago though so maybe they do now.