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I don't think that's the problem. I put on weight in the US no matter what I eat if I eat until I'm full. I naturally drift up by about a pound a year, and fas

I don't think that's the problem. I put on weight in the US no matter what I eat if I eat until I'm full. I naturally drift up by about a pound a year, and faster if I recently dieted. The only way to lose weight is to be constantly hungry. I will sometimes do that for a few months to get my weight under control. It then wanders back up. I've tried all sorts of diets, including plant-based, and it doesn't help. I need to be hungry all the time. I find it easy to lose weight in less developed countries, even eating what would be considered much less healthy food in the US (fried fatty food, lots of meat, etc.). The food also tastes more, for lack of a better word, real. I'm not sure we have any clear sense of what, in out hyper-efficient industrial food economy does this. Come to think of it, we don't even know it's the food -- could be something else environmental. But that's how my own body behaves.

fuzztester 3y ago
>I'm not sure we have any clear sense of what, in out hyper-efficient industrial food economy does this. Come to think of it, we don't even know it's the food -- could be something else environmental. Food or environmental, but in a larger sense, it's likely to be some additives, is my uneducated gut-feel (pun unintended) guess. Here by additives, I don't mean only ones in food, but also fertilizers, pesticides, other synthetic chemicals, and agricultural and industrial effluents.
- collaborative 3y ago
  That's why any amount of "processed" is bad. In doubt, cook from scratch. Anything that comes wrapped up is suspicious
  - fuzztester 3y ago
    I agree.
safety1st 3y ago
Applying Occam's Razor I think the main contributor for most people is probably American portion sizes. The average American eats around 3,600 calories per day, more than any other country, and way more than they need (2000-2500 unless you're regularly doing strenuous physical activity). Anecdotally a meal in America is just way bigger than in most other countries I've visited or lived in. Once you get accustomed to the larger portion size it's hard to dial it back down. We don't need a complicated explanation, the simple factual explanation for Americans being the fattest people in the world is, they eat more calories than anyone else.
- sarchertech 3y ago
  You can easily tell that’s there’s something wrong with that 3,600 calorie per day number. 3,600 calories per day is the maintenance weight for 350lbs man who exercises 1-3 days per week. Depending on distributions there’s some wiggle room, but if the average calorie consumption were anywhere near that high you’d expect to be average weight to be about 150 lbs more than it is.
  - collaborative 3y ago
    The body will metabolize the extra calories _for some time_, but eventually it will run out of coping mechanisms and it will give up, resulting in going up to 350lbs That's why kids who grow up eating unhealthy can look healthy for a while, but eventually they look like their parents. And once the body is out of buffer, any extra calory goes straight into storage
    - sarchertech 3y ago
      If you eat more than your maintenance weight, you’ll gain weight. There’s not a long term coping period. Basal metabolic rate does go down with age, but basal metabolic rate and total energy expenditure are mostly stable between 20-60. The basal metabolic rate of a 60 year old is about 120 calories less than that of a 20 year old. And actual maintenance calories are 200-300 lower for people with low to moderate exercise. What happened is that the kid is either eating more, or is exercising less. A normal 20 year old who isn’t an exercising a significant amount can’t regularly eat 3600 calories and maintain a healthy weight. That is to say, the average 20 year old with a healthy BMI who exercises 1-3 times per week will gain somewhere around 2 lbs per week eating 3600 calorie per day. They’ll gain less over time if they don’t start eating more as they get closer to 350lbs because their maintenance weight will go up.
mnemoni_c 3y ago
IDK if it is universal but once I hit 20s I gained weight rapidly despite eating same. Most of my friends gained weight too. Obviously puberty ends and metabolism drops but I feel like for me it's on the drastic end. For me to stay lean and not skinny fat means either eating not the tastiest food like lots of vegetables or being in the state of slight hunger for the rest of my life. It feels like there is a pick 2 situation between lean body, being full of energy and being satisfied by food
- nottorp 3y ago
  Was it maybe correlated with getting jobs? Butt in chair all day and all that...
- paulpauper 3y ago
  yeah look at almost any celebrity. Despite $ for personal trainers ,chefs, and nutritionists, many still put on fat with age. seems inevitable. same here started gaining weight after being stable for so long. i know my activity level did not change much.
nasmorn 3y ago
For me it is more like a pound a week when I visit my relatives. I am the bread has sugar in it. Initially everything tastes way too sweet but if I stay for 3 weeks or so I find the opposite when I get back home to Austria
christophilus 3y ago
> I put on weight in the US no matter what I eat if I eat until I'm full. I’d put money on this not being the case with McDougall, if you follow it strictly. I’ve known several dozens of people personally who have switched, and he has a few published papers on many hundreds of patients. You eat as much as you want. It’s quite hard to keep the pounds on until you hit some natural base weight. (I had to add some fats back into the diet after a while because I otherwise look too thin.) It should be noted, if you’re on insulin, you need to see a doctor when starting the diet, because you’re likely to need to reduce or eliminate your insulin pretty quickly. Same is true for blood thinners, blood pressure meds, and a number of other drugs. If you’re on a lot of meds, it’s probably worth going through his 12 day program. I’m unaffiliated— just have personally seen the reversal of supposedly genetic disease and am a fan.
- paulpauper 3y ago
  thanks for suggestion, may try it myself
Yiin 3y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ORs9hJfiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ORs9hJfiw
paulpauper 3y ago
shit genetics is a thing. some people put on weight real easily without even having to eat much or no matter what they eat

fuzztester 3y ago

>I'm not sure we have any clear sense of what, in out hyper-efficient industrial food economy does this. Come to think of it, we don't even know it's the food -- could be something else environmental. Food or environmental, but in a larger sense, it's likely to be some additives, is my uneducated gut-feel (pun unintended) guess. Here by additives, I don't mean only ones in food, but also fertilizers, pesticides, other synthetic chemicals, and agricultural and industrial effluents.

collaborative 3y ago
That's why any amount of "processed" is bad. In doubt, cook from scratch. Anything that comes wrapped up is suspicious
- fuzztester 3y ago
  I agree.

safety1st 3y ago

Applying Occam's Razor I think the main contributor for most people is probably American portion sizes. The average American eats around 3,600 calories per day, more than any other country, and way more than they need (2000-2500 unless you're regularly doing strenuous physical activity). Anecdotally a meal in America is just way bigger than in most other countries I've visited or lived in. Once you get accustomed to the larger portion size it's hard to dial it back down. We don't need a complicated explanation, the simple factual explanation for Americans being the fattest people in the world is, they eat more calories than anyone else.

sarchertech 3y ago
You can easily tell that’s there’s something wrong with that 3,600 calorie per day number. 3,600 calories per day is the maintenance weight for 350lbs man who exercises 1-3 days per week. Depending on distributions there’s some wiggle room, but if the average calorie consumption were anywhere near that high you’d expect to be average weight to be about 150 lbs more than it is.
- collaborative 3y ago
  The body will metabolize the extra calories _for some time_, but eventually it will run out of coping mechanisms and it will give up, resulting in going up to 350lbs That's why kids who grow up eating unhealthy can look healthy for a while, but eventually they look like their parents. And once the body is out of buffer, any extra calory goes straight into storage
  - sarchertech 3y ago
    If you eat more than your maintenance weight, you’ll gain weight. There’s not a long term coping period. Basal metabolic rate does go down with age, but basal metabolic rate and total energy expenditure are mostly stable between 20-60. The basal metabolic rate of a 60 year old is about 120 calories less than that of a 20 year old. And actual maintenance calories are 200-300 lower for people with low to moderate exercise. What happened is that the kid is either eating more, or is exercising less. A normal 20 year old who isn’t an exercising a significant amount can’t regularly eat 3600 calories and maintain a healthy weight. That is to say, the average 20 year old with a healthy BMI who exercises 1-3 times per week will gain somewhere around 2 lbs per week eating 3600 calorie per day. They’ll gain less over time if they don’t start eating more as they get closer to 350lbs because their maintenance weight will go up.

mnemoni_c 3y ago

IDK if it is universal but once I hit 20s I gained weight rapidly despite eating same. Most of my friends gained weight too. Obviously puberty ends and metabolism drops but I feel like for me it's on the drastic end. For me to stay lean and not skinny fat means either eating not the tastiest food like lots of vegetables or being in the state of slight hunger for the rest of my life. It feels like there is a pick 2 situation between lean body, being full of energy and being satisfied by food

nottorp 3y ago
Was it maybe correlated with getting jobs? Butt in chair all day and all that...
paulpauper 3y ago
yeah look at almost any celebrity. Despite $ for personal trainers ,chefs, and nutritionists, many still put on fat with age. seems inevitable. same here started gaining weight after being stable for so long. i know my activity level did not change much.

nasmorn 3y ago

For me it is more like a pound a week when I visit my relatives. I am the bread has sugar in it. Initially everything tastes way too sweet but if I stay for 3 weeks or so I find the opposite when I get back home to Austria

christophilus 3y ago

> I put on weight in the US no matter what I eat if I eat until I'm full. I’d put money on this not being the case with McDougall, if you follow it strictly. I’ve known several dozens of people personally who have switched, and he has a few published papers on many hundreds of patients. You eat as much as you want. It’s quite hard to keep the pounds on until you hit some natural base weight. (I had to add some fats back into the diet after a while because I otherwise look too thin.) It should be noted, if you’re on insulin, you need to see a doctor when starting the diet, because you’re likely to need to reduce or eliminate your insulin pretty quickly. Same is true for blood thinners, blood pressure meds, and a number of other drugs. If you’re on a lot of meds, it’s probably worth going through his 12 day program. I’m unaffiliated— just have personally seen the reversal of supposedly genetic disease and am a fan.

paulpauper 3y ago
thanks for suggestion, may try it myself

Yiin 3y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ORs9hJfiw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ORs9hJfiw

paulpauper 3y ago

shit genetics is a thing. some people put on weight real easily without even having to eat much or no matter what they eat