Not at all the same. Elon’s plan was Ukraine give up land, become neutral and not join NATO. That plan guarantees Russia can conquer the Ukraine rump state som

Not at all the same. Elon’s plan was Ukraine give up land, become neutral and not join NATO. That plan guarantees Russia can conquer the Ukraine rump state some time down the line. The NATO staffer remark said “trade some land for nato membership for Ukraine”. Russia probably wouldn’t go for that one.