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You dont really need a blackout. How many people can actually tell you the size and location of the contamination? Even the official limits of the exclusion zon

You dont really need a blackout. How many people can actually tell you the size and location of the contamination? Even the official limits of the exclusion zone are nonsense dating back to Soviet Bureaucracy. Wind meant there are contaminated areas outside and harmless areas inside. Also like the article stated, they are unlikely to have experienced any negative impact themselves. Also, the Greenpeace statement mentions fires, which are a far far better explanation for a spike in measurements. https://www.greenpeace.org/international/press-release/54762/greenpeace-investigation-challenges-nuclear-agency-on-chornobyl-radiation-levels/ https://www.greenpeace.org/international/press-release/54762... They also have pictures and mention the Russian camp was at "Stantzaya Yanov" which i cant find a reference to outside of the Greenpeace report. But i would suspect that wouldnt be directly in front of the very visible sarcophagus. edit: Maps in the report https://www.greenpeace.de/publikationen/20220718-greenpeace-mis-chornobyl-study.pdf https://www.greenpeace.de/publikationen/20220718-greenpeace-... Page 6 says the camp was 26km from the plant. edit1: Estimates from https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/10/339/2018/ https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/10/339/2018/ https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/10/339/2018/essd-10-339-2018-f01-web.png https://essd.copernicus.org/articles/10/339/2018/essd-10-339... with longitude and latitude and Greenpeace puts the camp at 51.1663, 29.9645 SSW of the reactor. Which would put it in a safe area. Meaning they were right to be not worried if the trenches were at the camp. edit2: It being the byproduct of Russian navigation efforts is quite a compelling explanation. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-sol...

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
exactly, I know the pyramids exist, but would you actually fund them on google maps without using the search bar?
- cf141q5325 3y ago
  You can tell by the signs. The point is the camp site was fine from a health and safety perspective. There are more heavily contaminated areas outside and it saw little impact due to the weather back then. Which leaves either damage to roads that might not have seen much use before (doubtful, they have police driving around to catch real life Stalkers), lost Russians or the fires Greenpeace mentioned. Some context for the heightened readings would be nice. Especially in comparison to the fires in March and 2020. They seem to be an obvious cause. edit: Vehicle impact sounds quite likely https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-sol... Maybe dont drive tanks through the red forest.
- grogenaut 3y ago
  https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9717687,31.1322225,620m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9717687,31.1322225,620m/data... I knew they were outside of cairo, which means close to the river generally. and was just going to walk the nile but "sphinx cafe" showed up when I got close. You can seem the ok from sattelite view no the top right half. I was just going to look for giza but I found them before I saw giza pop up. I didn't search I scrolled from north america.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    it's not they are small and hiding from you either. i would have suggested similar to your approach to follow the river. as you approach, you will see them.
    - grogenaut 3y ago
      I wonder if just street viewing down the river would lead you to them
arcticbull 3y ago
How about Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan? Atomic Lake? Hundreds of nuclear weapons tested all over the steppe - and open to the public. If you were an American soldier deployed there would you have a single clue you shouldn’t be digging near Opytnoe Pole? Or avoid catching fish from Lake Chagan? Or a Russian soldier deployed at the Nevada test site? I think not knowing is quite plausible.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago

exactly, I know the pyramids exist, but would you actually fund them on google maps without using the search bar?

cf141q5325 3y ago
You can tell by the signs. The point is the camp site was fine from a health and safety perspective. There are more heavily contaminated areas outside and it saw little impact due to the weather back then. Which leaves either damage to roads that might not have seen much use before (doubtful, they have police driving around to catch real life Stalkers), lost Russians or the fires Greenpeace mentioned. Some context for the heightened readings would be nice. Especially in comparison to the fires in March and 2020. They seem to be an obvious cause. edit: Vehicle impact sounds quite likely https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-soldiers-disturbed-radioactive-dust-chernobyls-red-forest-2022-03-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/unprotected-russian-sol... Maybe dont drive tanks through the red forest.
grogenaut 3y ago
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9717687,31.1322225,620m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9717687,31.1322225,620m/data... I knew they were outside of cairo, which means close to the river generally. and was just going to walk the nile but "sphinx cafe" showed up when I got close. You can seem the ok from sattelite view no the top right half. I was just going to look for giza but I found them before I saw giza pop up. I didn't search I scrolled from north america.
- dylan604 3y ago
  it's not they are small and hiding from you either. i would have suggested similar to your approach to follow the river. as you approach, you will see them.
  - grogenaut 3y ago
    I wonder if just street viewing down the river would lead you to them

arcticbull 3y ago

How about Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan? Atomic Lake? Hundreds of nuclear weapons tested all over the steppe - and open to the public. If you were an American soldier deployed there would you have a single clue you shouldn’t be digging near Opytnoe Pole? Or avoid catching fish from Lake Chagan? Or a Russian soldier deployed at the Nevada test site? I think not knowing is quite plausible.