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>Phone home telemetry and ads in OS ? MacOS also has telemetry. >For backend stuff it's almost implicit that you're running on Linux in prod and macos is well

>Phone home telemetry and ads in OS ? MacOS also has telemetry. >For backend stuff it's almost implicit that you're running on Linux in prod and macos is well supported because it's fairly similar. Then Windows would be better than MacOS in this regard because WSL2 is exactly Linux, not just "fairly similar" to Linux. >stuff randomly breaking between updates What stuff broke for you between updates? Our entire DS team develops in windows + WSL2 and nothing broke for them in ~5 years. Maybe they know how to use a computer. Ultimately just use what you like and what makes you productive, no need to crusade for some big corporation. The OS is just a tool for your job, like a hammer.

saagarjha 3y ago
> Right click -> Remove. Done. 2 seconds. Surely you aren't making the argument that Microsoft is generous enough to let you remove their bloatware?
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  That's a nice strawman you got there, give him a spin so we can admire it in all its glory.
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    My dude I literally quoted what you said, at least before you edited your comment to remove it.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >My dude I literally quoted what you said You quoted what I said then turned it into this strawman for a snarky jab: "Surely you aren't making the argument that Microsoft is generous enough to let you remove their bloatware?" >at least before you edited your comment to remove it. I removed more points because the comment was getting huge.
      - saagarjha 3y ago
        You posted a comment that seems to have a thesis of “Windows isn’t actually as bad as you think it is”. Is that correct? If not, what were you trying to convey? If you had posted your statement in isolation or in a different context it might have a different meaning but I’m not seeing many interpretations here besides “yeah it’s actually super easy to remove this junk so it’s not a big deal”. The question is why it’s there in the first place?
hobobaggins 3y ago
> Maybe they know how to use a computer. Seems uncalled for.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Why? If your only feedback is "stuff randomly breaks" and unable to provide more on-point technical specifics, maybe you're not qualified enough. No shame in that. If I tell my mechanic "something randomly breaks on my car" he'll also know I'm clueless, and that's alright, not everyone's a car mechanic.
moonchrome 3y ago
> MacOS also has telemetry. And who do I trust more - company that bundles third party crap ware and openly talks about OS ads as monetization avenue. Or a company selling me xxxx$ machine and wanting to sell me a next one with the OS in the future. As much as I dislike Apple walled garden - their incentive structure is way more aligned with me than Microsoft desktop. > Then Windows would be better than MacOS in this regard because WSL2 is exactly Linux, not just "fairly similar" to Linux. Haven't seen that be better than a VM. Doing anything WSL on Windows FS is dog slow and vice versa, split toolsets conflicts (different git config between host and guest, different SSH). Just SSH into a VM - it's a way better experience - the boundaries are clear and the editors know the implications of working on a remote machine. Not saying you can't use Windows, but you can also eat from a trough - I just prefer not to.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >And who do I trust more You throw a lot of stones considering how fragile your glass house is. Apples is the same company that wanted to scan your phone, that you bought and own, for child porn and report you to the authorities if something was found. How you or anyone can blindly trust them after that is beyond me. Trust no major corporation regardless of how shiny their products are is my life motto. >Haven't seen that be better than a VM. It is, that's why people use it. Look up tutorials online.

saagarjha 3y ago

> Right click -> Remove. Done. 2 seconds. Surely you aren't making the argument that Microsoft is generous enough to let you remove their bloatware?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
That's a nice strawman you got there, give him a spin so we can admire it in all its glory.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  My dude I literally quoted what you said, at least before you edited your comment to remove it.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >My dude I literally quoted what you said You quoted what I said then turned it into this strawman for a snarky jab: "Surely you aren't making the argument that Microsoft is generous enough to let you remove their bloatware?" >at least before you edited your comment to remove it. I removed more points because the comment was getting huge.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      You posted a comment that seems to have a thesis of “Windows isn’t actually as bad as you think it is”. Is that correct? If not, what were you trying to convey? If you had posted your statement in isolation or in a different context it might have a different meaning but I’m not seeing many interpretations here besides “yeah it’s actually super easy to remove this junk so it’s not a big deal”. The question is why it’s there in the first place?

hobobaggins 3y ago

> Maybe they know how to use a computer. Seems uncalled for.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Why? If your only feedback is "stuff randomly breaks" and unable to provide more on-point technical specifics, maybe you're not qualified enough. No shame in that. If I tell my mechanic "something randomly breaks on my car" he'll also know I'm clueless, and that's alright, not everyone's a car mechanic.

moonchrome 3y ago

> MacOS also has telemetry. And who do I trust more - company that bundles third party crap ware and openly talks about OS ads as monetization avenue. Or a company selling me xxxx$ machine and wanting to sell me a next one with the OS in the future. As much as I dislike Apple walled garden - their incentive structure is way more aligned with me than Microsoft desktop. > Then Windows would be better than MacOS in this regard because WSL2 is exactly Linux, not just "fairly similar" to Linux. Haven't seen that be better than a VM. Doing anything WSL on Windows FS is dog slow and vice versa, split toolsets conflicts (different git config between host and guest, different SSH). Just SSH into a VM - it's a way better experience - the boundaries are clear and the editors know the implications of working on a remote machine. Not saying you can't use Windows, but you can also eat from a trough - I just prefer not to.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>And who do I trust more You throw a lot of stones considering how fragile your glass house is. Apples is the same company that wanted to scan your phone, that you bought and own, for child porn and report you to the authorities if something was found. How you or anyone can blindly trust them after that is beyond me. Trust no major corporation regardless of how shiny their products are is my life motto. >Haven't seen that be better than a VM. It is, that's why people use it. Look up tutorials online.