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This is disingenuous. First, classical anatomy copy drawing is rarely mandatory in art school because that's not what art is about anymore. (For another discuss
by creer 3y ago
This is disingenuous. First, classical anatomy copy drawing is rarely mandatory in art school because that's not what art is about anymore. (For another discussion, that it never was.) This was not inadvertent, not done while nobody noticed. Instructors and students noticed that art had changed. Classical drawing schools still exist if you insist. Second, drawing still very much happens in art - it's just not the kind of anatomy obsession these people care about. Just like they call "art" a very specific sub-part of the art world. And it's not like David Hockney himself draws in that style anyway. He could but he doesn't. He has taste, he has interests, and this isn't it. Can it come handy, useful? - sure - but so can a million other things.
- voldacar 3y agoSorry but I think Michaelangelo and Leonardo knew much more about art than you.
- creer 3y agoFor your definition of "art", most likely yes.
- david927 3y agoThe interesting thing is that music composers don't do this. They know music theory. They don't hit a bassoon with a tennis racquet and say, "Your definition of music may vary."
- creer 3y agoThe dancer in Stomp may or may not know music theory. And analogies may or may not be useful. I will argue or grant that most visual artists do learn to see - even though they very much do not all see the same thing because seeing is also subject to preferences and intellectual choices. Visual arts have certainly gone far and wide. For much of it, even calling it "visual" is a stretch. Sure.
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y agoDancers aren't normally trained in music theory. Percussionists are but, having studied modern drums for five years at a conservatory, I can tell you with some confidence that most drummers don't know music theory, because they don't really need it. Because most of music theory has nothing to do with percussions. Why do I need to know harmony to play the drums? So, bad example. A better example would be the intonarumori by Luigi Russolo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intonarumori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intonarumori But the truth is that this kind of wild experimentation with the limits of musicality has never caught up in the same way as modern art has. There is possibly a reason for that. I suspect that it's far easier to ignore something Duchamp's fountain than Russolo's instruments... just because the latter make noise and you can't stop hearing it unless you run away. Btw, I heard some recordings of the intonarumori at a modern art museum in Switzerland, and I thought they were actually ... pleasant? In some sense. But then I find Cannibal Corpse pleasant so I probably have uncommon tastes (though not rare).
- archagon 3y agoJohn Cage certainly did.
- solomonb 3y agoAnd you speak for Michaelangelo and Leonardo?
- david927 3y agoDo people really believe there are no curators of, say, the Uffizi and the Louvre? Do people think that we don't generally agree on levels of accomplishment and mastery -- that when you go to the Prado, it's not just a random selection?
- solomonb 3y agoAmazing straw man. I said nothing of curation, mastery, or art history in general. My comment was challenging the parent poster's assumed knowledge of the opinions of old masters.
- david927 3y agoThis is the assuage that contemporary artists tell themselves at night to go to sleep. The fact remains that people are crushing in to see the art of 100 years ago. Monet still makes people swoon. And for our times we have a banana on the wall and we're not supposed to argue because taste is relative and someone likes that ... as we slow step our way down the staircase to oblivion.
- solomonb 3y agoThere is sooooo much more contemporary art then that one guy who stapled a banana to a wall. If that is all your exposure to contemporary art then you aren't trying very hard.
- david927 3y agoTaped. This isn't arguing out of ignorance. I feel well-versed enough in contemporary art to both make my accusation and stand behind it.
- ksaj 3y agoThere is some irony to being caught off guard by someone suggesting it was stapled instead of taped. Is it an important aspect of the piece? Important enough to correct someone over. There are other places to draw parallels from. Runway fashion shows nearly always show bizarre items no sane person would wear to the local grocery store. But they each, individually, make a new statement that draws some sort of reaction from the observers. It's the very essence of art. Off the catwalk, scenes like Lady Gaga wearing a meat dress to an award program might offend some people, but you can't deny the originality and subsequent reaction. There were certainly people claiming it wasn't fashion or art. Yet if someone aped it, it would be suddenly boring and passe, and people would totally recognize it as being derivative. And that sure sounds like art.
- solomonb 3y agoFor every artist sticking a banana to a wall I guarantee you there is another one with the windows of their studio blacked out and making intricate oil paintings of whatever you think is impressive. There is simply too much art being produced in the contemporary art world for your argument to make any sense at all.