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I don't understand how people can be apologists for China's carbon emissions in 2023 still. Estimates are that only around 10% of Chinese carbon emissions are

I don't understand how people can be apologists for China's carbon emissions in 2023 still. Estimates are that only around 10% of Chinese carbon emissions are for foreign exports: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0959652623015883#:~:text=The%20results%20show%20that%3A%20(1,%E2%80%9311.1%25%20of%20the%20DCEE https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09596.... And you can't deny that the US and EU has been moving in the right direction, while China is moving in the wrong direction. US carbon emissions peaked in 2000 and have been moving down ever since. China's carbon emissions have grown by 500% during that time period. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/carbon-co2-emissions https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/carb... They are uniquely bad in this regard, compared to their peers like India and other developing economies. It's clear that China does not care about climate change in the slightest.

lm28469 3y ago
> Estimates are that only around 10% of Chinese carbon emissions are for foreign exports Here it says 33%: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14412-33-of-chinas-carbon-footprint-blamed-on-exports/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14412-33-of-chinas-ca... > They are uniquely bad in this regard, compared to their peers like India and other developing economies. Of course India is nowhere close to China, they basically don't exist in term of exports. These countries have almost nothing in common besides having a large population https://statisticsanddata.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Top-Countries-by-Exports-2.png https://statisticsanddata.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Top... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports > while China is moving in the wrong direction. You sure about that ? https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/267233/renewable-energy-capacity-worldwide-by-country.jpg https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/267233/renewable-energy-c... Again it's easy to pollute less when you literally shut down all your industries. You can't ask for more and more growth, cheaper and cheaper prices and 0 pollution. > China does not care about climate change in the slightest. Not more or less than 99% of countries on this earth, including the US and most of Europe. If they did they'd have stopped their Chinese imports a long time ago, as well as most of their exports and massively reduced their energy usage (daily reminder than the average US household uses 4 times more energy than a German one)
- nostromo 3y ago
  > You sure about that ? Yes, China built six times the number of coal plants of the entire rest of the world last year. Six times! It's inexcusable. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-... Meanwhile the US has mothballed half of it's coal plants in 10 years: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_04_01.html https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_04_01.html > Here it says 33% You're clearly cherry picking very old data (2008) that is not published research to try and make a point here. The references aren't even comparable. > If they did they'd have stopped their Chinese imports a long time ago Plenty of people would be delighted to embargo China due to their environmental record. If that's what you're proposing, we agree.
- junofan 3y ago
  2008 China was way different.

lm28469 3y ago

> Estimates are that only around 10% of Chinese carbon emissions are for foreign exports Here it says 33%: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14412-33-of-chinas-carbon-footprint-blamed-on-exports/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14412-33-of-chinas-ca... > They are uniquely bad in this regard, compared to their peers like India and other developing economies. Of course India is nowhere close to China, they basically don't exist in term of exports. These countries have almost nothing in common besides having a large population https://statisticsanddata.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Top-Countries-by-Exports-2.png https://statisticsanddata.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Top... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports > while China is moving in the wrong direction. You sure about that ? https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/267233/renewable-energy-capacity-worldwide-by-country.jpg https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/267233/renewable-energy-c... Again it's easy to pollute less when you literally shut down all your industries. You can't ask for more and more growth, cheaper and cheaper prices and 0 pollution. > China does not care about climate change in the slightest. Not more or less than 99% of countries on this earth, including the US and most of Europe. If they did they'd have stopped their Chinese imports a long time ago, as well as most of their exports and massively reduced their energy usage (daily reminder than the average US household uses 4 times more energy than a German one)

nostromo 3y ago
> You sure about that ? Yes, China built six times the number of coal plants of the entire rest of the world last year. Six times! It's inexcusable. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-... Meanwhile the US has mothballed half of it's coal plants in 10 years: https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_04_01.html https://www.eia.gov/electricity/annual/html/epa_04_01.html > Here it says 33% You're clearly cherry picking very old data (2008) that is not published research to try and make a point here. The references aren't even comparable. > If they did they'd have stopped their Chinese imports a long time ago Plenty of people would be delighted to embargo China due to their environmental record. If that's what you're proposing, we agree.
junofan 3y ago
2008 China was way different.