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Er how is that different from C++? It doesn't have a go-like std library either, and you can totally use Rust without crates.io in the same manner.

xedrac 3y ago
In C++, you'll often see projects just use boost, which is a big monolith of useful libraries.
- tumdum_ 3y ago
  Embedded microcontrollers are not the place where boost is used.
  - oasisaimlessly 3y ago
    Counterpoint: I use Boost on embedded microcontrollers. (Albeit only header-only components of Boost.)
MarkMarine 3y ago
I suppose that wasn’t clear. My mistake. I use C/C++ for micro controller code every day, because Rust doesn’t support my microcontroller, doesn’t have a real RTOS, and I’m making real hardware. Something that needs to run in the field for 10+ years and I can’t get out there and ensure it’s updated, and my company doesn’t want to invest millions of dollars on beta testing embedded rust on. So embedded is out for now but I’m looking forward to when it’s supported fully and out of beta. Most embedded controllers come with some RTOS and libraries they support, written in C. For tooling, I can context switch out of C++ which does have boost, into [rust, go, python… etc] and deal with that switch, or just be lazy and write it in C++. I’ve tried to write three tools in Rust so far, and the pain of not having a good stdlib, of essentially searching the internet for a blog post that solves my issue then finding the blog post was written by one dev 4 years ago to pump up their library that was written 4 years ago and then never supported after that… it’s a bit exhausting. Again, before ya’ll attack. This is from the perspective of a willing, excited customer. I want to use Rust at work and advocate for it. Just saying, it’s not easy in the state it’s in.
- seabass-labrax 3y ago
  Which microcontroller are you using? Rust support for embedded targets is slowly improving, so there might be a beta build for your chip.
  - MarkMarine 3y ago
    ESP-32, the Rust support is not mature enough to ship commercially. C-410 from Qualcomm, which is a whole different world, I can’t even look at the source code.

xedrac 3y ago

In C++, you'll often see projects just use boost, which is a big monolith of useful libraries.

tumdum_ 3y ago
Embedded microcontrollers are not the place where boost is used.
- oasisaimlessly 3y ago
  Counterpoint: I use Boost on embedded microcontrollers. (Albeit only header-only components of Boost.)

MarkMarine 3y ago

I suppose that wasn’t clear. My mistake. I use C/C++ for micro controller code every day, because Rust doesn’t support my microcontroller, doesn’t have a real RTOS, and I’m making real hardware. Something that needs to run in the field for 10+ years and I can’t get out there and ensure it’s updated, and my company doesn’t want to invest millions of dollars on beta testing embedded rust on. So embedded is out for now but I’m looking forward to when it’s supported fully and out of beta. Most embedded controllers come with some RTOS and libraries they support, written in C. For tooling, I can context switch out of C++ which does have boost, into [rust, go, python… etc] and deal with that switch, or just be lazy and write it in C++. I’ve tried to write three tools in Rust so far, and the pain of not having a good stdlib, of essentially searching the internet for a blog post that solves my issue then finding the blog post was written by one dev 4 years ago to pump up their library that was written 4 years ago and then never supported after that… it’s a bit exhausting. Again, before ya’ll attack. This is from the perspective of a willing, excited customer. I want to use Rust at work and advocate for it. Just saying, it’s not easy in the state it’s in.

seabass-labrax 3y ago
Which microcontroller are you using? Rust support for embedded targets is slowly improving, so there might be a beta build for your chip.
- MarkMarine 3y ago
  ESP-32, the Rust support is not mature enough to ship commercially. C-410 from Qualcomm, which is a whole different world, I can’t even look at the source code.