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While I'm not skeptical about the reality of anthropogenic climate change, I _am_ skeptical of viewing the climate like a fundamentally unstable / delicate syst
by dweekly 3y ago
While I'm not skeptical about the reality of anthropogenic climate change, I _am_ skeptical of viewing the climate like a fundamentally unstable / delicate system, like that all life on Earth will perish and the planet will become like Venus on a runaway path if we hit +2C.
Earth _has_ had periods both much warmer than that and with more CO2! There are checks and balances to any system - like Life - that has been around a billion years. So Life will go on. And so I'm skeptical of a claim that "the environment seems to have a negative effect on itself" generally given its longevity. Life will go on -- though...that might be with or without Sapiens.
- esalman 3y agoSo you think if a bunch of people is Palau go under water because of sea level increase, they are not worth saving?
- goatlover 3y agoAre they just going to sit there for decades as the water rises and drown very, very slowly? Might there be some other way of "saving" them?
- esalman 3y agoThis is another piece of the puzzle climate change deniers don't understand (I am not calling you one btw). Of course these people are not going to stay there. We will see mass migration. It is easy to dismiss climate change by saying that life will go on. But we all know how the western societies view and treat migrants these days.
- ilyt 3y ago> But we all know how the western societies view and treat migrants these days. Migrants from incompatible bring crime and strife. Countries don't want to have more crime and strife.
- esalman 3y agoRight, so either accept that, or spend resources on combating climate change. Or at least do not instigate proxy wars in other parts of the world.
- ilyt 3y agoLmao, they don't migrate because "it's too hot", they migrate coz their goverment is fucked and the country they migrate to gives free handouts. Nothing to do with climate, everything to do culture and development.
- esalman 3y agoEasy to slam poor countries and their governments when you're practically living in the most powerful and rich country in history. You sound like one of today those who never ventured outside their bubble.
- ilyt 3y agoI don't live in US or Germany or France if that's what you're suggesting. Hell, my countrymen had reputation for "stealing immigrants" in Germany before the way worse ones arrived there in droves... Similar cultures can mix. Different ones cause at best strife. AT BEST. Usually worse. If you live all your life in "every man for himself" and absolute zero regard for law and other human beings then come to country that has those values, well, France happens.
- esalman 3y agoYou don't have to explain to me about culture mix. The British came and ruled us for 210 years. Before them the French and the Spanish and the Portuguese came. Unlike the migrants you are getting, we were sent the worst of them with the explicit intent to be stolen from, enslaved, maimed, raped and killed.
- truculent 3y agoWhether you’re skeptical or not, you accept that there is some risk of catastrophic destabilisation. And the appropriate attitude to uncertainty and risk is not to bet everything on the mean outcome.