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Suddenly climate change doesn’t require lifestyle changes when it’s time for the plebeians to get back to the office.

downWidOutaFite 3y ago
I'm sorry but I hate this type of argument. There are different people saying different things but you conflate them all together and say "they" are telling you contradictory things. It makes no sense.
gumballindie 3y ago
Oh but it does require liftestlye changes. You'll have to spend more money on "green" cars. Instead of you know, not spending any money since WFH means you dont need a car.
- isykt 3y ago
  … in the US you definitely need a car to do everything else. Unless you live in NYC.
  - gumballindie 3y ago
    Where I live in the UK taking the bus from my town to a town 2 miles away is a 40 minute journey. In London, taking public transport means massively dense crowds. The city is still choked with traffic. Seriosuly, we have to move away from the mindset of uber dense cities to a more sparse living style. Everything in between filled with trees and vegetation. We built all this tech so that customers can shop remotely, I dont see why workers couln't work from their homes too.
    - FredPret 3y ago
      Honestly, public transport can be an immense pain, even in cities that are famous for having good systems. Only the most common use-cases are catered for in a reasonable way. As soon as you take a journey that's an edge-case in any way, get ready for major discomfort. Furniture shopping, major grocery shops, moving house, going from one out-of-the-way place to another, travelling at an odd time.
      - ilyt 3y ago
        Some of that is also caused by forcing everyone to show up 8-9 AM. In city I live driving to work at 9AM is nightmare but delay departure to just 10AM and it is suddenly reasonably pleasant drive. Similarly with public traffic, going at 8-9 AM is crowded, just an hour delay and it's decent.
        FredPret 3y ago
        But what’s the point of “in-person collaboration” if everyone isn’t at the same place at the same time? If you don’t have to be at the office at 9am, perhaps you don’t need to be there at all.
  - JoshuaEN 3y ago
    You can get by without owning a car in Philadelphia too. There are pain points, but it is possible.

I'm sorry but I hate this type of argument. There are different people saying different things but you conflate them all together and say "they" are telling you contradictory things. It makes no sense.

gumballindie 3y ago

Oh but it does require liftestlye changes. You'll have to spend more money on "green" cars. Instead of you know, not spending any money since WFH means you dont need a car.

isykt 3y ago
… in the US you definitely need a car to do everything else. Unless you live in NYC.
- gumballindie 3y ago
  Where I live in the UK taking the bus from my town to a town 2 miles away is a 40 minute journey. In London, taking public transport means massively dense crowds. The city is still choked with traffic. Seriosuly, we have to move away from the mindset of uber dense cities to a more sparse living style. Everything in between filled with trees and vegetation. We built all this tech so that customers can shop remotely, I dont see why workers couln't work from their homes too.
  - FredPret 3y ago
    Honestly, public transport can be an immense pain, even in cities that are famous for having good systems. Only the most common use-cases are catered for in a reasonable way. As soon as you take a journey that's an edge-case in any way, get ready for major discomfort. Furniture shopping, major grocery shops, moving house, going from one out-of-the-way place to another, travelling at an odd time.
    - ilyt 3y ago
      Some of that is also caused by forcing everyone to show up 8-9 AM. In city I live driving to work at 9AM is nightmare but delay departure to just 10AM and it is suddenly reasonably pleasant drive. Similarly with public traffic, going at 8-9 AM is crowded, just an hour delay and it's decent.
      - FredPret 3y ago
        But what’s the point of “in-person collaboration” if everyone isn’t at the same place at the same time? If you don’t have to be at the office at 9am, perhaps you don’t need to be there at all.
- JoshuaEN 3y ago
  You can get by without owning a car in Philadelphia too. There are pain points, but it is possible.