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> Mac is a mixed bag of excellent Rosetta and breaking apps for no reason. They will probably retire Rosetta2 in a few years, like they did with Rosetta. Appl

> Mac is a mixed bag of excellent Rosetta and breaking apps for no reason. They will probably retire Rosetta2 in a few years, like they did with Rosetta. Apple usually seems to care about getting the bulk of applications to transition over, and the rest is just collateral damage/the devs should’ve just updated their software.

failuser 3y ago
Definitely. All Intel Mac apps will be abandoned. Even tiny apps like Spectacle will cause pain.
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  I've found Rectangle to be a good substitute / in-place replacement.
  - failuser 3y ago
    Thanks, it actually makes sense to switch. And Spectacle is even open source, so the amount of pain is minimal.
duskwuff 3y ago
> They will probably retire Rosetta2 in a few years, like they did with Rosetta. Counterpoint: The PPC-to-Intel version of Rosetta was licensed technology (QuickTransit); Apple was undoubtedly paying for it, possibly even per user, so there were financial reasons for them to get users off of it ASAP. Rosetta 2 was developed in-house by Apple, so there isn't the same hard timeline to get users to stop using it. I wouldn't expect it to survive long beyond support for running the OS on x86, though.
- Tijdreiziger 3y ago
  Yes, just like they had valid technical reasons to kill 32-bit iOS apps. The point is that they don’t go above and beyond like Microsoft (although of course even MS has deprecated e.g. 16-bit apps).
  - tinus_hn 3y ago
    On the bright side, the end result is that on Mac there are only apps that have been updated this decade.
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      Is the lack of an app a good thing?
      - tinus_hn 3y ago
        It can be because it’s an incentive to create a new, up-to-date app.
        Tijdreiziger 3y ago
        Not if the developer isn’t around anymore.
        tinus_hn 3y ago
        In a world with only one developer, yes. In the real world, where other developers can create new apps that do the same thing better, more secure, easier or in a more modern way, no.
        Tijdreiziger 3y ago
        Also in the real world, where (for any number of reasons) users sometimes prefer older apps regardless, yes.
        tinus_hn 3y ago
        And sometimes users do not get what they prefer and they have to make do with what they get. In the Microsoft world and in the Apple world. Tough luck. It’s not worth living in the past because some hypothetical users want to cling to it. It’s worth promoting innovation because innovation is replacing old things with better new things.
- BirAdam 3y ago
  It could last longer if gaming with their game porting toolkit gets big enough to drive more Mac sales. Money talks.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - o1y32 3y ago
    That's a long shot. I wouldn't hold my breath for seeing the day when gaming on Mac is a real choice for big games.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  > I wouldn't expect it to survive long beyond support for running the OS on x86 Even if the support for running x86 Mac GUI apps along with x86 macOS, they might still keep the technology around for docker, linux VMs, etc.
howinteresting 3y ago
And this is why Apple will never be a serious gaming platform for non-exploitative/GaaS games. Personally I think it's good that I can run games that were last updated in the early 2010s on my computer.

failuser 3y ago

Definitely. All Intel Mac apps will be abandoned. Even tiny apps like Spectacle will cause pain.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
I've found Rectangle to be a good substitute / in-place replacement.
- failuser 3y ago
  Thanks, it actually makes sense to switch. And Spectacle is even open source, so the amount of pain is minimal.

duskwuff 3y ago

> They will probably retire Rosetta2 in a few years, like they did with Rosetta. Counterpoint: The PPC-to-Intel version of Rosetta was licensed technology (QuickTransit); Apple was undoubtedly paying for it, possibly even per user, so there were financial reasons for them to get users off of it ASAP. Rosetta 2 was developed in-house by Apple, so there isn't the same hard timeline to get users to stop using it. I wouldn't expect it to survive long beyond support for running the OS on x86, though.

Tijdreiziger 3y ago
Yes, just like they had valid technical reasons to kill 32-bit iOS apps. The point is that they don’t go above and beyond like Microsoft (although of course even MS has deprecated e.g. 16-bit apps).
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  On the bright side, the end result is that on Mac there are only apps that have been updated this decade.
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    Is the lack of an app a good thing?
    - tinus_hn 3y ago
      It can be because it’s an incentive to create a new, up-to-date app.
      - Tijdreiziger 3y ago
        Not if the developer isn’t around anymore.
        tinus_hn 3y ago
        In a world with only one developer, yes. In the real world, where other developers can create new apps that do the same thing better, more secure, easier or in a more modern way, no.
        Tijdreiziger 3y ago
        Also in the real world, where (for any number of reasons) users sometimes prefer older apps regardless, yes.
        tinus_hn 3y ago
        And sometimes users do not get what they prefer and they have to make do with what they get. In the Microsoft world and in the Apple world. Tough luck. It’s not worth living in the past because some hypothetical users want to cling to it. It’s worth promoting innovation because innovation is replacing old things with better new things.
BirAdam 3y ago
It could last longer if gaming with their game porting toolkit gets big enough to drive more Mac sales. Money talks.
- deleted 3y ago
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- o1y32 3y ago
  That's a long shot. I wouldn't hold my breath for seeing the day when gaming on Mac is a real choice for big games.
kalleboo 3y ago
> I wouldn't expect it to survive long beyond support for running the OS on x86 Even if the support for running x86 Mac GUI apps along with x86 macOS, they might still keep the technology around for docker, linux VMs, etc.

howinteresting 3y ago

And this is why Apple will never be a serious gaming platform for non-exploitative/GaaS games. Personally I think it's good that I can run games that were last updated in the early 2010s on my computer.