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I know this is purely anecdotal but Cruise cars have begun testing in my neighborhood in Austin (they've been in the city for months already) and in two separat

I know this is purely anecdotal but Cruise cars have begun testing in my neighborhood in Austin (they've been in the city for months already) and in two separate incidents on two nights this week I've seen one completely roll through a stop sign. In the first it seemed to know there was a stop sign because it was going along at the speed limit, slowed down like it was going to stop, and then just didn't stop. I was driving through the intersection and I had to move into the opposite lane to avoid the Cruise car. The next night I was just out for a walk and observed the same behavior at a different intersection. I've had several unpleasant run-ins with these cars over the last few months. Not sure how to feel about it all.

testbjjl 3y ago
You feel these cars are not safe but for some reason abandon your observations to be open minded or objective. It’s crazy how far the public utility commission is willing to jeopardize public safety in the interest of autonomous experimentation.
- minwcnt5 3y ago
  People are focusing too much on the CPUC decision. That was only about whether they can charge for rides or not. Even if the CPUC had rejected their application, all these incidents would still have occurred. It's the DMV that is responsible for whether the cars are allowed on the road, and they rubber stamped it a long time ago. My theory is that Cruise piggybacked on Waymo having a strong record and a public service running in Arizona already, and the DMV in classical government incompetence just assumed that if it works at a small scale it works just as well at a larger scale.
  - testbjjl 3y ago
    > People are focusing too much on the CPUC decision The CPUC commission decision was to allow this as though no was an impossibility.
- dopamean 3y ago
  I'm not abandoning my observations. I'm just not willing to 100% say that something is worse than the status quo when I haven't really objectively analyzed either of case. It could be that far more human drivers roll through these stop signs in my neighborhood than I think. So is it bad that the Cruise cars did it? Absolutely. However, imo, if they do it significantly less than human drivers maybe it's better somehow? Idk. I'm not sure how to compare these things. I do know for sure that I'm not really comfortable with Cruise cars on the road but that may not be a rational feeling. I really just dont have enough information to know.
runeb 3y ago
I believe you. A Cruise car went out of turn at a stop sign in SF and almost hit my car. Folks do too, but if these AVs are just as bad as human drivers, what is the point?

testbjjl 3y ago

You feel these cars are not safe but for some reason abandon your observations to be open minded or objective. It’s crazy how far the public utility commission is willing to jeopardize public safety in the interest of autonomous experimentation.

minwcnt5 3y ago
People are focusing too much on the CPUC decision. That was only about whether they can charge for rides or not. Even if the CPUC had rejected their application, all these incidents would still have occurred. It's the DMV that is responsible for whether the cars are allowed on the road, and they rubber stamped it a long time ago. My theory is that Cruise piggybacked on Waymo having a strong record and a public service running in Arizona already, and the DMV in classical government incompetence just assumed that if it works at a small scale it works just as well at a larger scale.
- testbjjl 3y ago
  > People are focusing too much on the CPUC decision The CPUC commission decision was to allow this as though no was an impossibility.
dopamean 3y ago
I'm not abandoning my observations. I'm just not willing to 100% say that something is worse than the status quo when I haven't really objectively analyzed either of case. It could be that far more human drivers roll through these stop signs in my neighborhood than I think. So is it bad that the Cruise cars did it? Absolutely. However, imo, if they do it significantly less than human drivers maybe it's better somehow? Idk. I'm not sure how to compare these things. I do know for sure that I'm not really comfortable with Cruise cars on the road but that may not be a rational feeling. I really just dont have enough information to know.

runeb 3y ago

I believe you. A Cruise car went out of turn at a stop sign in SF and almost hit my car. Folks do too, but if these AVs are just as bad as human drivers, what is the point?