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Nice. OpenBSD does something similar, with the difference being that there are no exemptions for specific software—they expect developers to fix their broken p

by binkHN 3y ago

Nice. OpenBSD does something similar, with the difference being that there are no exemptions for specific software—they expect developers to fix their broken programs.

pradn 3y ago
That's not similar at all! Windows takes the "Linux way" of "not breaking userspace" seriously. OpenBSD has other goals - some sense of minimality and clarity, but this is not one.
- vasco 3y ago
  > That's not similar at all! That was the joke, friend.
  - pradn 3y ago
    If it was a joke, my bad !
- nullindividual 3y ago
  And unlike Linux, has a stable ABI.
  - blibble 3y ago
    Linux has a stable userland ABI OpenBSD doesn't even have that: if you don't reboot quickly after installing a major upgrade you're going to have a bad time whereas you can run ancient userland on more modern Linux kernels (as evidenced by the container ecosystem)
    - PlutoIsAPlanet 3y ago
      The Linux kernel has a stable userland ABI. Other core components that makes up most Linux distros (e.g. libc, gtk, libc, curl, ssl etc) however do not.
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      - account42 3y ago
        The libc (glibc) absolutely has a stable ABI. Stop spreading FUD.
    - CoolCold 3y ago
      > OpenBSD doesn't even have that: if you don't reboot quickly after installing a major upgrade you're going to have a bad time that's interesting, can you share bit more details/links?
GhostWhisperer 3y ago
you had me
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housemusicfan 3y ago
Clearly missing the point. The OP mentions DOS, so this was the mid-90s. OpenBSD didn't exist (Theo hadn't burned all his bridges with NetBSD yet). There were NO updates. You bought software, games especially, in a shrink wrapped box at a brick and mortar store. Most people outside universities did not have internet access. If you were an extremely privileged few, you could download small patches from a BBS or online service but this was extremely rare. You got what you got. The development model was different. It had to work under any circumstances. There was no "we'll fix it in the next sprint!" and push it to the app store. Developers had no way to contact their customers. Regarding that hobbyist OS OpenBSD, where the developers care about nothing besides security, there were no proprietary application packages available. Most retailed applications in those days ran on SunOS/Solaris or HP/UX.
- kibibu 3y ago
  > There were NO updates I distinctly remember patching DOOM from 1.1 through 1.2, 1.4, 1.666 to 1.9
- anthk 3y ago
  Gaming magazines shipped diskettes with game updates and patches.

by binkHN 3y ago

Nice. OpenBSD does something similar, with the difference being that there are no exemptions for specific software—they expect developers to fix their broken programs.

pradn 3y ago

That's not similar at all! Windows takes the "Linux way" of "not breaking userspace" seriously. OpenBSD has other goals - some sense of minimality and clarity, but this is not one.

vasco 3y ago
> That's not similar at all! That was the joke, friend.
- pradn 3y ago
  If it was a joke, my bad !
nullindividual 3y ago
And unlike Linux, has a stable ABI.
- blibble 3y ago
  Linux has a stable userland ABI OpenBSD doesn't even have that: if you don't reboot quickly after installing a major upgrade you're going to have a bad time whereas you can run ancient userland on more modern Linux kernels (as evidenced by the container ecosystem)
  - PlutoIsAPlanet 3y ago
    The Linux kernel has a stable userland ABI. Other core components that makes up most Linux distros (e.g. libc, gtk, libc, curl, ssl etc) however do not.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - account42 3y ago
      The libc (glibc) absolutely has a stable ABI. Stop spreading FUD.
  - CoolCold 3y ago
    > OpenBSD doesn't even have that: if you don't reboot quickly after installing a major upgrade you're going to have a bad time that's interesting, can you share bit more details/links?

GhostWhisperer 3y ago

you had me

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housemusicfan 3y ago

Clearly missing the point. The OP mentions DOS, so this was the mid-90s. OpenBSD didn't exist (Theo hadn't burned all his bridges with NetBSD yet). There were NO updates. You bought software, games especially, in a shrink wrapped box at a brick and mortar store. Most people outside universities did not have internet access. If you were an extremely privileged few, you could download small patches from a BBS or online service but this was extremely rare. You got what you got. The development model was different. It had to work under any circumstances. There was no "we'll fix it in the next sprint!" and push it to the app store. Developers had no way to contact their customers. Regarding that hobbyist OS OpenBSD, where the developers care about nothing besides security, there were no proprietary application packages available. Most retailed applications in those days ran on SunOS/Solaris or HP/UX.

kibibu 3y ago
> There were NO updates I distinctly remember patching DOOM from 1.1 through 1.2, 1.4, 1.666 to 1.9
anthk 3y ago
Gaming magazines shipped diskettes with game updates and patches.