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Sounds like it’s been a bad week. Tuesday a Cruise car drove into wet cement and got stuck. https://www.businessinsider.com/driverless-cruise-car-stuck-wet-co

Sounds like it’s been a bad week. Tuesday a Cruise car drove into wet cement and got stuck. https://www.businessinsider.com/driverless-cruise-car-stuck-wet-concrete-san-francisco-av-robotaxi-2023-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/driverless-cruise-car-stuck-...

gonzo41 3y ago
That's not great, but crashing into a fire truck has the potential to injure other people who need firefighters. Maybe it's time to pump the breaks on self driving cars.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  Are they more likely to be hit by a fire truck than other drivers? I see plenty of drivers on the road fail to yield to emergency vehicles.
  - phatfish 3y ago
    There are also "plenty" more drivers on the road than the Cruise self driving fleet.
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      Right, my question is obviously using the number of miles driven as a denominator.
  - bewaretheirs 3y ago
    NHTSA is investigating whether Tesla's "autopilot" system has trouble detecting emergency vehicles with their lights flashing (and thus is more likely to hit them). Cruise might have a similar perception problem. See for instance: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2021/INOA-PE21020-1893.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2021/INOA-PE21020-1893.PDF "Since January 2018, the Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) has identified eleven crashes in which Tesla models of various configurations have encountered first responder scenes and subsequently struck one or more vehicles involved with those scenes. The incidents are listed at the end of this summary by date, city, and state." "Most incidents took place after dark and the crash scenes encountered included scene control measures such as first responder vehicle lights, flares, an illuminated arrow board, and road cones. The involved subject vehicles were all confirmed to have been engaged in either Autopilot or Traffic Aware Cruise Control during the approach to the crashes. "
    - whimsicalism 3y ago
      Hm although in this case it was the cruise vehicle that was struck
      - kayodelycaon 3y ago
        Doesn't matter. You're always in the wrong if you failed yield an emergency vehicle.
        whimsicalism 3y ago
        I was responding to the comment about the issue being the same as teslas
      - bewaretheirs 3y ago
        Either way it could be caused by failure to detect the emergency vehicle in time.
- sdenton4 3y ago
  Seems like waymo is doing fine, though...
- tanseydavid 3y ago
  Sure looks like the Fire Truck crashed into the Cruise vehicle. I am not saying that the autonomous vehicle is without fault in this situation, it just seems strange to say that a car with its doors crushed in, "collided" with another vehicle. It was hit by another vehicle.
hot_gril 3y ago
And they were randomly getting stuck around the concert.

gonzo41 3y ago

That's not great, but crashing into a fire truck has the potential to injure other people who need firefighters. Maybe it's time to pump the breaks on self driving cars.

whimsicalism 3y ago
Are they more likely to be hit by a fire truck than other drivers? I see plenty of drivers on the road fail to yield to emergency vehicles.
- phatfish 3y ago
  There are also "plenty" more drivers on the road than the Cruise self driving fleet.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    Right, my question is obviously using the number of miles driven as a denominator.
- bewaretheirs 3y ago
  NHTSA is investigating whether Tesla's "autopilot" system has trouble detecting emergency vehicles with their lights flashing (and thus is more likely to hit them). Cruise might have a similar perception problem. See for instance: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2021/INOA-PE21020-1893.PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2021/INOA-PE21020-1893.PDF "Since January 2018, the Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) has identified eleven crashes in which Tesla models of various configurations have encountered first responder scenes and subsequently struck one or more vehicles involved with those scenes. The incidents are listed at the end of this summary by date, city, and state." "Most incidents took place after dark and the crash scenes encountered included scene control measures such as first responder vehicle lights, flares, an illuminated arrow board, and road cones. The involved subject vehicles were all confirmed to have been engaged in either Autopilot or Traffic Aware Cruise Control during the approach to the crashes. "
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    Hm although in this case it was the cruise vehicle that was struck
    - kayodelycaon 3y ago
      Doesn't matter. You're always in the wrong if you failed yield an emergency vehicle.
      - whimsicalism 3y ago
        I was responding to the comment about the issue being the same as teslas
    - bewaretheirs 3y ago
      Either way it could be caused by failure to detect the emergency vehicle in time.
sdenton4 3y ago
Seems like waymo is doing fine, though...
tanseydavid 3y ago
Sure looks like the Fire Truck crashed into the Cruise vehicle. I am not saying that the autonomous vehicle is without fault in this situation, it just seems strange to say that a car with its doors crushed in, "collided" with another vehicle. It was hit by another vehicle.

hot_gril 3y ago

And they were randomly getting stuck around the concert.