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> You're really angry with that straw man you've stood up. The OP isn't saying systems have to be locked down to the extent that they're useless. Who would ever

> You're really angry with that straw man you've stood up. The OP isn't saying systems have to be locked down to the extent that they're useless. Who would ever argue for such a thing? You are - you're literally arguing for it right now. Short sessions just don't help all that much, and they have an outsized impact on users. Why are you dying on this hill? Likely because your mindset is "security above all else" and that mindset is literally cancer. Security above all else leads to a product that does fuck-all else (and it does it poorly).

lambic 3y ago
Literally cancer? Really?
- horsawlarway 3y ago
  Yes. Literally. I would say it makes an excellent analogy: A part of the whole (security) is prioritizing themselves and their needs in a way that makes the overall organism much less capable and effective. Cancer.
  - recursive 3y ago
    Still metaphorical cancer.
    - horsawlarway 3y ago
      Not according to the definitions of those words that I can see Metaphor: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable. Cancer: a practice or phenomenon perceived to be evil or destructive and hard to contain or eradicate. My usage is literal. Organizations that act this way have cancer. They suffer from it, they can be treated, they can die. It's as real as it gets. I am using cancer in the body as an analogy for this form of cancer - but I am not using a metaphor.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  On the plus side, it seems HN has discovered the cure for cancer.
jameshart 3y ago
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- saurik 3y ago
  FWIW, it seems pretty clear to me that you are the person who is being insulting here. I mean, I can't even figure out how to reply to this comment without making it all about you and how you are involved in this thread and the words and strategy you are using, as that's what you are doing to horsawlarway... who, notably, was addressing an idea and an attitude, not a person and their behavior. Like, if I put myself in the shoes of the people each of you are replying to, I can see how to reply to horsawlarway: if I disagree with their interpretation of what I said, I can argue back; if I realize that I said something poorly and didn't mean it, I can apologize and correct it; if I disagree with their analysis, I can push back with my own arguments... ...but your comment? You are just pointing at someone and calling them rude. You are then not only refusing to engage with their comment or their points, you are just telling them they shouldn't even be discussed or listened to because they used a word which, to be quite frank, is not insulting; and, in doing so, you have dragged this discussion from one between people who were passionate about an interesting topic that affects everyone on this website--one where I was excited to read both sides--to a bunch of people--sadly, now including me!--squabbling about how words are chosen and how arguments are formed while pointing fingers at each other about who is being insulting, which is a waste of everyone's time so bad I frankly feel bad about how I now feel like I also have to take part. (BTW, I actually did at first choose to not send this comment: I wrote it, and then decided it was just further feeding you and further wasting other peoples' time, so I put it in a text file and moved on; but, then I noticed one of horsawlarway's responses had been flagged--even though you are clearly the instigator here--so I would need to post a defense of why I vouched for it: you are the person who not only took this thread in a personal direction, but you are the person who decided to start throwing around playground-style bullying: saying an idea is cancer is an opinion and analysis, not an insult... but all of your comments on this thread are patronizing and are the kind of taunting people use to start fist fights.)

lambic 3y ago

Literally cancer? Really?

horsawlarway 3y ago
Yes. Literally. I would say it makes an excellent analogy: A part of the whole (security) is prioritizing themselves and their needs in a way that makes the overall organism much less capable and effective. Cancer.
- recursive 3y ago
  Still metaphorical cancer.
  - horsawlarway 3y ago
    Not according to the definitions of those words that I can see Metaphor: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable. Cancer: a practice or phenomenon perceived to be evil or destructive and hard to contain or eradicate. My usage is literal. Organizations that act this way have cancer. They suffer from it, they can be treated, they can die. It's as real as it gets. I am using cancer in the body as an analogy for this form of cancer - but I am not using a metaphor.
paulddraper 3y ago
On the plus side, it seems HN has discovered the cure for cancer.

jameshart 3y ago

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saurik 3y ago
FWIW, it seems pretty clear to me that you are the person who is being insulting here. I mean, I can't even figure out how to reply to this comment without making it all about you and how you are involved in this thread and the words and strategy you are using, as that's what you are doing to horsawlarway... who, notably, was addressing an idea and an attitude, not a person and their behavior. Like, if I put myself in the shoes of the people each of you are replying to, I can see how to reply to horsawlarway: if I disagree with their interpretation of what I said, I can argue back; if I realize that I said something poorly and didn't mean it, I can apologize and correct it; if I disagree with their analysis, I can push back with my own arguments... ...but your comment? You are just pointing at someone and calling them rude. You are then not only refusing to engage with their comment or their points, you are just telling them they shouldn't even be discussed or listened to because they used a word which, to be quite frank, is not insulting; and, in doing so, you have dragged this discussion from one between people who were passionate about an interesting topic that affects everyone on this website--one where I was excited to read both sides--to a bunch of people--sadly, now including me!--squabbling about how words are chosen and how arguments are formed while pointing fingers at each other about who is being insulting, which is a waste of everyone's time so bad I frankly feel bad about how I now feel like I also have to take part. (BTW, I actually did at first choose to not send this comment: I wrote it, and then decided it was just further feeding you and further wasting other peoples' time, so I put it in a text file and moved on; but, then I noticed one of horsawlarway's responses had been flagged--even though you are clearly the instigator here--so I would need to post a defense of why I vouched for it: you are the person who not only took this thread in a personal direction, but you are the person who decided to start throwing around playground-style bullying: saying an idea is cancer is an opinion and analysis, not an insult... but all of your comments on this thread are patronizing and are the kind of taunting people use to start fist fights.)