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Well, yes, I guess we could grow our population indefinitely until we tarmac over all of the UK to house them.

pydry 3y ago
Land usage is horrendously inefficient in the UK and that is largely by design. Immigration might exacerbate rent rises all other things being equal but as I said it could just as easily happen with net migration too. With Singapore you could argue that immigration is a key issue with their rising rents because proportionally it's so much higher than the UK, they make very efficient use of land and they are very much more space deprived. In the UK it's not an issue with immigration because other variables override it. That is unless somebody is really in the mood to indirectly take the issue to a xenophobic or a racist place on behalf of a few populist property oligarchs looking for an easy scapegoat.
- gadders 3y ago
  I'm not sure what distinction you are drawing between "immigration" and "net migration"? Net Migration is just all the people that have immigrated (moved to) to a country minus all those that have emigrated (left) a country. That is the figure of 600k for the UK currently. >> In the UK it's not an issue with immigration because other variables override it. Care to name some? I guess you could say that UK housing is "inefficient" but again, I'm not sure making people live in tower blocks just so that more people from other countries can move here is all that fair of a solution, or if it is what people are proposing at least make it explicit and have it as a party policy that people can vote on. TBH property oligarchs would favour high migration because of the effect it has on property values and rents.
  - pydry 3y ago
    >I'm not sure making people live in tower blocks just so that more people from other countries can move here is all that fair of a solution The only forcing going on in London is handing over between 30-50% of your paycheck just to have a roof over your head. Nobody would have to be forced to live in an apartment. You just have to build them and people will rent or buy them. As I said, unless you want to take this to a racist place it's not an issue of immigration. Not in the UK anyway. >TBH property oligarchs would favour high migration Yes, thats why the Tory party effectively used xenophobia to garner votes while simultaneously increasing net migration to the UK. It was all about throwing a racist bone to their voters who were heavily swayed towards UKIP before betraying them.
    - gadders 3y ago
      Not wanting high net migration is not xenophobic though, however much you throw out your ad hominem attacks.

Land usage is horrendously inefficient in the UK and that is largely by design. Immigration might exacerbate rent rises all other things being equal but as I said it could just as easily happen with net migration too. With Singapore you could argue that immigration is a key issue with their rising rents because proportionally it's so much higher than the UK, they make very efficient use of land and they are very much more space deprived. In the UK it's not an issue with immigration because other variables override it. That is unless somebody is really in the mood to indirectly take the issue to a xenophobic or a racist place on behalf of a few populist property oligarchs looking for an easy scapegoat.

gadders 3y ago
I'm not sure what distinction you are drawing between "immigration" and "net migration"? Net Migration is just all the people that have immigrated (moved to) to a country minus all those that have emigrated (left) a country. That is the figure of 600k for the UK currently. >> In the UK it's not an issue with immigration because other variables override it. Care to name some? I guess you could say that UK housing is "inefficient" but again, I'm not sure making people live in tower blocks just so that more people from other countries can move here is all that fair of a solution, or if it is what people are proposing at least make it explicit and have it as a party policy that people can vote on. TBH property oligarchs would favour high migration because of the effect it has on property values and rents.
- pydry 3y ago
  >I'm not sure making people live in tower blocks just so that more people from other countries can move here is all that fair of a solution The only forcing going on in London is handing over between 30-50% of your paycheck just to have a roof over your head. Nobody would have to be forced to live in an apartment. You just have to build them and people will rent or buy them. As I said, unless you want to take this to a racist place it's not an issue of immigration. Not in the UK anyway. >TBH property oligarchs would favour high migration Yes, thats why the Tory party effectively used xenophobia to garner votes while simultaneously increasing net migration to the UK. It was all about throwing a racist bone to their voters who were heavily swayed towards UKIP before betraying them.
  - gadders 3y ago
    Not wanting high net migration is not xenophobic though, however much you throw out your ad hominem attacks.