Everyone "needs" hard limits because permissiveness will always be abused. That's why police and jails exist. That doesn't mean the hard limits are align with

Everyone "needs" hard limits because permissiveness will always be abused. That's why police and jails exist. That doesn't mean the hard limits are align with what I would consider a "healthy" system composed by people. The current trucking business ( at least in the US ) is insane from an individuals perspective, paper or non-existent logs will not solve anything. And that's one of the issues, everyone wants to "solve" their own problems and screw the rest ( it's their problem not mine ). Over time that means the drivers were the ones who got screwed the most.