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Thats also wrong, because you cant invoice without tax id.

throwaway736282 3y ago
You clearly should speak to a tax advisor because the facts you're stating are just wrong. From the minute you applied tax-id, you can invoice with the remark that you will supply the tax-id later. So parentposter is infact right. But it's probably easier to just rant, instead of gathering basic information.
- littlecranky67 3y ago
  And thats why you use a throwaway? Edit: and another, less obvious throwaway to answer this thread :) I'm not resorting in any way to personal threats, I'm just pointing out throwaway-account usage. Edit2: And the reply to this thread is removed, as I pointed out the other obvious throwaway usage. There was antoher answer by throwaway "iiiieu". I'm quiting this discussion, mschuster91, save your throwaway creations :P
  - iiiieu 3y ago
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mschuster91 3y ago
You absolutely can [1], you just have to issue the bill with the tax ID again once you have it (a week worth of waiting time). [1] https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforum/Steuern/Rechnungsstellung/Rechnungen-ohne-Steuernummer-verschicken.html https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforu...
- littlecranky67 3y ago
  Sure but you are splitting hairs. If I enter a shop to buy sth and the clerk tells me I have to check back in a couple of weeks to get the proper invoice, I as a customer take my business elsewhere.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    It's fine if you're running some sort of IT consultancy or whatever, your first invoice will be running weeks after the fact in any case. Everyone else can wait a week (or less, if you're persistent in nagging the Finanzamt on the phone), but let's be real: if you're a shop owner, you need weeks of "empty" runway to rent a shop, set up the shop, buy inventory, wait for it to arrive... so in reality the week of waiting time won't matter.
    - littlecranky67 3y ago
      IT consultancies are not the majorities of businesses. Additionally, your tax id does not necessarily take a week. And good luck if you do international (but within EU) buisness - the EU VAT id takes even longer. Additionally, when did we (germans) start to accept and get so stuborn to defend this process? I mean, the process should be: You go to the "Gewerbeamt", fill out the forms, and get the same day a tax id, a EU VAT id, and a one-time token to create your ELSTER accounts and certificates. Thats what digitalization should be. How does anyone think the current, cumbersome process is the ultimate way and that this is considered business friendly, yet tends to defend or glorifies this process?
      - mschuster91 3y ago
        I believe that we have to get up to speed in digitalization - but there's far bigger fish to fry there than having to wait for a week for a tax ID. Our politicians are incompetent enough as is, and budgets for process improvements (or, to be fair, a lot of gov processes would benefit from complete overhauls) are just as small.

You clearly should speak to a tax advisor because the facts you're stating are just wrong. From the minute you applied tax-id, you can invoice with the remark that you will supply the tax-id later. So parentposter is infact right. But it's probably easier to just rant, instead of gathering basic information.

littlecranky67 3y ago
And thats why you use a throwaway? Edit: and another, less obvious throwaway to answer this thread :) I'm not resorting in any way to personal threats, I'm just pointing out throwaway-account usage. Edit2: And the reply to this thread is removed, as I pointed out the other obvious throwaway usage. There was antoher answer by throwaway "iiiieu". I'm quiting this discussion, mschuster91, save your throwaway creations :P
- iiiieu 3y ago
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mschuster91 3y ago

You absolutely can [1], you just have to issue the bill with the tax ID again once you have it (a week worth of waiting time). [1] https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforum/Steuern/Rechnungsstellung/Rechnungen-ohne-Steuernummer-verschicken.html https://www.existenzgruender.de/SharedDocs/BMWi-Expertenforu...

littlecranky67 3y ago
Sure but you are splitting hairs. If I enter a shop to buy sth and the clerk tells me I have to check back in a couple of weeks to get the proper invoice, I as a customer take my business elsewhere.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  It's fine if you're running some sort of IT consultancy or whatever, your first invoice will be running weeks after the fact in any case. Everyone else can wait a week (or less, if you're persistent in nagging the Finanzamt on the phone), but let's be real: if you're a shop owner, you need weeks of "empty" runway to rent a shop, set up the shop, buy inventory, wait for it to arrive... so in reality the week of waiting time won't matter.
  - littlecranky67 3y ago
    IT consultancies are not the majorities of businesses. Additionally, your tax id does not necessarily take a week. And good luck if you do international (but within EU) buisness - the EU VAT id takes even longer. Additionally, when did we (germans) start to accept and get so stuborn to defend this process? I mean, the process should be: You go to the "Gewerbeamt", fill out the forms, and get the same day a tax id, a EU VAT id, and a one-time token to create your ELSTER accounts and certificates. Thats what digitalization should be. How does anyone think the current, cumbersome process is the ultimate way and that this is considered business friendly, yet tends to defend or glorifies this process?
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      I believe that we have to get up to speed in digitalization - but there's far bigger fish to fry there than having to wait for a week for a tax ID. Our politicians are incompetent enough as is, and budgets for process improvements (or, to be fair, a lot of gov processes would benefit from complete overhauls) are just as small.