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I saw this tweet from someone at the DoD discussing how stupid it was that the USA governement cannot use Llama2 technology but the CCP can. I searched up the u

I saw this tweet from someone at the DoD discussing how stupid it was that the USA governement cannot use Llama2 technology but the CCP can. I searched up the use policy and it seems correct. What do you all think??

viraptor 3y ago
Llama2 is... not amazing. It's good for small things and it's great that you can do those small things locally. But this honestly feels like an attempt at publicity. "It's so good, DoD shouldn't use it!"
Sunhold 3y ago
It broadly prohibits "military, warfare, nuclear industries or applications, espionage, use for materials or activities that are subject to the International Traffic Arms Regulations (ITAR) maintained by the United States Department of State." There is no other specific mention of the DoD.
ceejayoz 3y ago
The US can absolutely use it, if they want. US law permits them to violate the license; Facebook can sue to be paid costs ("recovery of his reasonable and entire compensation for such use and manufacture") afterwards, but they can't really prevent its use. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1498 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1498
lolinder 3y ago
I think you're interpreting this wrong. What line in this policy prohibits the DoD but doesn't prohibit all other militaries?
phyrex 3y ago
Based on what exactly? The linked article prohibits activities, not entities. Unless the CCP doesn’t use it for spying and military uses and the DoD wants to, this makes no sense.
corethree 3y ago
Believe it or not the differences between the CCP and DOD are not nall black and white. Take for instance the CCP nuclear policy. China deliberately has zero nukes ready for launch. Retaliation will ultimately take up to a week as nuclear warheads need to placed on missiles as they are deliberately not attached. This is 100 percent by design giving china time to prevent global obliteration via mistaken retaliation. Additionally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use Meanwhile the US has nukes fully ready and armed with deliberate intention to deliver retaliation before enemy nukes even hit their targets. There is no <no first use policy> here. It's definitely a different and more complicated story for other things outside of war. But Facebook is simply stopping usage related to war. This makes sense to me. The CCP can't legally be stopped from not using it anyway.

viraptor 3y ago

Llama2 is... not amazing. It's good for small things and it's great that you can do those small things locally. But this honestly feels like an attempt at publicity. "It's so good, DoD shouldn't use it!"

Sunhold 3y ago

It broadly prohibits "military, warfare, nuclear industries or applications, espionage, use for materials or activities that are subject to the International Traffic Arms Regulations (ITAR) maintained by the United States Department of State." There is no other specific mention of the DoD.

ceejayoz 3y ago

The US can absolutely use it, if they want. US law permits them to violate the license; Facebook can sue to be paid costs ("recovery of his reasonable and entire compensation for such use and manufacture") afterwards, but they can't really prevent its use. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1498 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1498

lolinder 3y ago

I think you're interpreting this wrong. What line in this policy prohibits the DoD but doesn't prohibit all other militaries?

phyrex 3y ago

Based on what exactly? The linked article prohibits activities, not entities. Unless the CCP doesn’t use it for spying and military uses and the DoD wants to, this makes no sense.

corethree 3y ago

Believe it or not the differences between the CCP and DOD are not nall black and white. Take for instance the CCP nuclear policy. China deliberately has zero nukes ready for launch. Retaliation will ultimately take up to a week as nuclear warheads need to placed on missiles as they are deliberately not attached. This is 100 percent by design giving china time to prevent global obliteration via mistaken retaliation. Additionally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use Meanwhile the US has nukes fully ready and armed with deliberate intention to deliver retaliation before enemy nukes even hit their targets. There is no <no first use policy> here. It's definitely a different and more complicated story for other things outside of war. But Facebook is simply stopping usage related to war. This makes sense to me. The CCP can't legally be stopped from not using it anyway.