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This is like the definition of a dystopia. Some obscure "public" needs, being put before someone personal individual needs, enforced by a random computer.

by yard2010 3y ago

alistairSH 3y ago
The guy wants to drive an unsafe distance/time every day. How is it dystopian that rules and tech prevent this? If he wants to get home, he can move closer or find another route. Or park the truck and drive his personal vehicle.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  I don't feel one can categorically call it an "unsafe distance". Less safe, sure. As mentioned his counterpoint is that he'd sleep better at home, so the next day he'd be more rested than he currently gets when he has to sleep in his cab. So in effect it's trading less safe driving today vs less safe driving tomorrow. Anyway, I'm not at all against regulations in this field. Drivers have been overworked hard and a tired driver on the road, regardless of occupation, is dangerous.
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    Sure, but society has deemed that 10 hours is the safe limit. Is it an absolute? Only in the sense that we have to draw a line somewhere, because bad actors will abuse soft limits.
- kotaKat 3y ago
  If he's unloaded, bobtailing, and driving back home there's technically an exemption for "personal conveyance"; many trucking companies don't always enable PC mode because drivers will abuse the feature to advance a load (which is illegal under PC rules).
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Safe/unsafe aren't binary in this case. It doesn't flip from 0 to 1 just because he drove an extra 20 minutes. The "unsafety" of driving was non-zero all along, and the longer he goes without a rest break make it climb ever so higher. Saying that this factor was safe when it was 0.9000 but as soon as it rolled over to 0.9001 it was unsafe is asinine. Likely, enforcing such a rest stop could make it more unsafe... if after the rest he was in a hurry to head home, or groggy from an impromptu nap, or even if driving or lighting conditions had changed. > If he wants to get home, he can move closer or find another route. Neither of these are practical, in the "completely unachievable in the real world by real people" meaning of the word.

This is like the definition of a dystopia. Some obscure "public" needs, being put before someone personal individual needs, enforced by a random computer.

alistairSH 3y ago

The guy wants to drive an unsafe distance/time every day. How is it dystopian that rules and tech prevent this? If he wants to get home, he can move closer or find another route. Or park the truck and drive his personal vehicle.

magicalhippo 3y ago
I don't feel one can categorically call it an "unsafe distance". Less safe, sure. As mentioned his counterpoint is that he'd sleep better at home, so the next day he'd be more rested than he currently gets when he has to sleep in his cab. So in effect it's trading less safe driving today vs less safe driving tomorrow. Anyway, I'm not at all against regulations in this field. Drivers have been overworked hard and a tired driver on the road, regardless of occupation, is dangerous.
- alistairSH 3y ago
  Sure, but society has deemed that 10 hours is the safe limit. Is it an absolute? Only in the sense that we have to draw a line somewhere, because bad actors will abuse soft limits.
kotaKat 3y ago
If he's unloaded, bobtailing, and driving back home there's technically an exemption for "personal conveyance"; many trucking companies don't always enable PC mode because drivers will abuse the feature to advance a load (which is illegal under PC rules).
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
Safe/unsafe aren't binary in this case. It doesn't flip from 0 to 1 just because he drove an extra 20 minutes. The "unsafety" of driving was non-zero all along, and the longer he goes without a rest break make it climb ever so higher. Saying that this factor was safe when it was 0.9000 but as soon as it rolled over to 0.9001 it was unsafe is asinine. Likely, enforcing such a rest stop could make it more unsafe... if after the rest he was in a hurry to head home, or groggy from an impromptu nap, or even if driving or lighting conditions had changed. > If he wants to get home, he can move closer or find another route. Neither of these are practical, in the "completely unachievable in the real world by real people" meaning of the word.