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Yes, prosperous. But as prosperous as the US? And being prosperous doesn't mean not being dependent. Japan agreed to the Plaza accords https://youtu.be/pU_yy

Yes, prosperous. But as prosperous as the US? And being prosperous doesn't mean not being dependent. Japan agreed to the Plaza accords https://youtu.be/pU_yyadYgG8 https://youtu.be/pU_yyadYgG8 Other Asian countries probably are going to be careful before signing up for something equivalent.

oblio 3y ago
Is the US supposed to make these countries as prosperous as itself? Please do list all the prosperous Chinese or Russian allies. I'll wait.
- throwaway4good 3y ago
  Many have gotten rich of the Chinese boom - from Singapore to Australia - from Apple to Tesla.
  - oblio 3y ago
    I said allies. Those people you tell, in writing, signed by your highest authorities: if your people start dying at the hands of another country, our people will start dying with them. Talk is cheap.
    - throwaway4good 3y ago
      China does not have allies in that manner.
      - oblio 3y ago
        Which is my point. China doesn't have friends.
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      - berdario 3y ago
        China does have one such alliance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-North_Korean_Treaty_of_Friendship,_Co-operation,_and_Mutual_Assistance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-North_Korean_Treaty_of_Fr... Of course "talk is cheap" is an hyperbole, since there can be a lot of mutually beneficial agreements that don't involve military sacrifice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Sino-Russian_Treaty_of_Friendship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Sino-Russian_Treaty_of_Fr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisat...
- aylmao 3y ago
  China is putting a lot of money down with its Belt and Road initiative, and specifically has tried to attract partners/allies calling it vehicle for prosperity [2]. In Africa, they've been building infra and haven't shied away from forgiving debt [1]. This certainly plays in their interest. The USA's support for global trade and the economic prosperity of countries key in their trade network (like Japan, for example) are similar ventures. I'm not saying China is making countries as prosperous as itself, but it is certainly working to make being a Chinese ally economically attractive. [1]: https://www.voanews.com/a/china-cancels-23-loans-to-africa-amid-debt-trap-debate-/6716397.html https://www.voanews.com/a/china-cancels-23-loans-to-africa-a... [2]: https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/views/opinions/chinas-efforts-towards-integrating-international-economic-development-1646577799 https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/views/opinions/chinas-eff...

oblio 3y ago

Is the US supposed to make these countries as prosperous as itself? Please do list all the prosperous Chinese or Russian allies. I'll wait.

throwaway4good 3y ago
Many have gotten rich of the Chinese boom - from Singapore to Australia - from Apple to Tesla.
- oblio 3y ago
  I said allies. Those people you tell, in writing, signed by your highest authorities: if your people start dying at the hands of another country, our people will start dying with them. Talk is cheap.
  - throwaway4good 3y ago
    China does not have allies in that manner.
    - oblio 3y ago
      Which is my point. China doesn't have friends.
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    - berdario 3y ago
      China does have one such alliance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-North_Korean_Treaty_of_Friendship,_Co-operation,_and_Mutual_Assistance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-North_Korean_Treaty_of_Fr... Of course "talk is cheap" is an hyperbole, since there can be a lot of mutually beneficial agreements that don't involve military sacrifice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Sino-Russian_Treaty_of_Friendship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Sino-Russian_Treaty_of_Fr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisat...
aylmao 3y ago
China is putting a lot of money down with its Belt and Road initiative, and specifically has tried to attract partners/allies calling it vehicle for prosperity [2]. In Africa, they've been building infra and haven't shied away from forgiving debt [1]. This certainly plays in their interest. The USA's support for global trade and the economic prosperity of countries key in their trade network (like Japan, for example) are similar ventures. I'm not saying China is making countries as prosperous as itself, but it is certainly working to make being a Chinese ally economically attractive. [1]: https://www.voanews.com/a/china-cancels-23-loans-to-africa-amid-debt-trap-debate-/6716397.html https://www.voanews.com/a/china-cancels-23-loans-to-africa-a... [2]: https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/views/opinions/chinas-efforts-towards-integrating-international-economic-development-1646577799 https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/views/opinions/chinas-eff...