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Not sure why this comment is getting downvoted. I think it's relevant to the discussion, whether people agree with it or not.
by aylmao 3y ago
Not sure why this comment is getting downvoted. I think it's relevant to the discussion, whether people agree with it or not.
- oblio 3y ago> it was all about keeping asians down and dependent. Probably because of this. The US is allied to several prosperous Asian countries.
- throwaway4good 3y agoWho all got seriously smacked down when they got too independent (from the Vietnam war to the Plaza accord).
- dmix 3y agoNeither the Vietnam war nor Plaza Accords were about "keeping Asians down". Unintentional side effects is not intention. A very important distinction. Japan's recent Stagflation has plenty of obvious internal causes. Blaming the west for that is some weird cope. China is an expert at manipulating their currency and internal markets for global advantage. Countries reacting to China's top-down aggressive self interest in a global market is only logical. Other countries engaging in those markets aren't there for charity and nor is China.
- modo_mario 3y ago>Japan's recent Stagflation has plenty of obvious internal causes. Blaming the west for that is some weird cope. I don't think it extends so far since it's the 80's but I can see why one would blame the US there. Around this time Japan was forced to do technology transfers to the US, to have minimum marketshare in japan for US cars and semiconductors, to have unfavorable monetary policy. That smells equivalent to being a vassal at gunpoint. Of course European countries helped pressuring and it being the cold war japan did not have much developed (or allowed alternatives) for it's export based economy even if it did have an army, more independence and a more varied political landscape.
- aylmao 3y agoI'm from Mexico. Given the landscape with energy worldwide, the current president has been overhauling the energy sector to keep foreign influence low. It makes sense in the current geopolitical climate, which really shook the energy market worldwide. I mean, France straight-up nationalized Electricite de France for example [1]. The USA is not happy about this [2]. Understandably, this affects American companies' business in the country. The USA is happy do take action in defense of its national security and its national industries, but fights back when other countries do the same. [1]: https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsfrench-government-wins-court-approval-for-edf-nationalisation-10830185#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20President%20Emmanuel%20Macron,government%20cap%20on%20electricity%20prices https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsfrench-government-wins-.... [2]: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/6/whats-behind-the-energy-spat-between-the-us-canada-and-mexico https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/6/whats-behind-the-ene...
- oblio 3y agoYes, the famous Asian Vietnamese ally, the Soviet Union.
- throwaway4good 3y agoSouth Vietnam was a US ally; subject to US sponsored coups when they didn't behave and ultimately were abandonned when the cost of war got too high.
- oblio 3y agoAnd North Vietnam was... ? A beacon of self determination and lack of foreign and imperial influence? Oh, wait!
- berdario 3y agoYes, prosperous. But as prosperous as the US? And being prosperous doesn't mean not being dependent. Japan agreed to the Plaza accords https://youtu.be/pU_yyadYgG8 https://youtu.be/pU_yyadYgG8 Other Asian countries probably are going to be careful before signing up for something equivalent.
- oblio 3y agoIs the US supposed to make these countries as prosperous as itself? Please do list all the prosperous Chinese or Russian allies. I'll wait.
- throwaway4good 3y agoMany have gotten rich of the Chinese boom - from Singapore to Australia - from Apple to Tesla.
- oblio 3y agoI said allies. Those people you tell, in writing, signed by your highest authorities: if your people start dying at the hands of another country, our people will start dying with them. Talk is cheap.
- throwaway4good 3y agoChina does not have allies in that manner.
- oblio 3y agoWhich is my point. China doesn't have friends.
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- throwawayqqq11 3y agoThe US is chasing hegemonial "interests overseas". Every other country, that tries to develop a sovereign position in too many industrial sectors contradicts that. Thats how the US justify their industrial/political espionage on basically all their "allies".
- oblio 3y agoLOL at accusing the US of industrial espionage in a discussion about China :-)) Nota bene, I'm convinced the US is spying. It's just what China is doing in terms of spying and forced industrial transfer makes the US stuff look kiddie play.
- woooooo 3y agoIf that's true, it just means we're losing our edge. I'd say we're still tied, personally. Arizona and mainland China are both getting a TSMC plant.
- oblio 3y agoThe US doesn't do as much industrial espionage, I'm fairly certain of it. Why? The US just brain drains countries.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoThe US still attracts the best and brightest _better_ than other countries (on average, hence the net source/drain of brain).
- oblio 3y agoSo we're in agreement.
- ethbr1 3y agoJapan and South Korea? Given China's rise and size, US Asian hegemonial interests primarily trend towards making any not-China country in the region as economically strong as possible.