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Why should they? For what reason? If they do nothing productive and meaningful, don't hurt anyone, and don't desire to change, what is the reason they should ch

Why should they? For what reason? If they do nothing productive and meaningful, don't hurt anyone, and don't desire to change, what is the reason they should change? "They should change because they will likely feel pleasure from it" does not seem like a sufficient reason, there are lots of things people will likely feel pleasure from that I wouldn't say they "should" do. I don't think work has inherent value apart from the reality of scarcity that can't be fulfilled by things other than work.

tristor 3y ago
I don’t want to try to convince you otherwise so lets talk about reality. Due to the reality of scarcity, those who do no work and expect that they will be cared for do in fact harm others. Scamming government benefits and failing to contribute to society when you are entirely able is not just selfish, it directly damages society and harms those with legitimate needs as well. > Why should they? For what reason? If they do nothing productive and meaningful, don't hurt anyone, and don't desire to change, what is the reason they should change? As long as scarcity is real, the idea that you are owed an existence without work is beyond selfish and entitled, it is directly harmful. They /are/ hurting others.
- paulcole 3y ago
  Scarcity exists but it isn’t real. It’s created by people to convince each other that we need to keep working. There are enough empty houses and apartments to house everyone, but there’s a bunch of people in a tent around the corner from my apartment. Food waste is astounding but people still go hungry.
  - tristor 3y ago
    The fact you believe this tells me you have a loose association with reality. There’s really nothing more to discuss. Food doesn’t appear on tables via magic, somebody gets their hands dirty. Commies aren’t known for their sensibilities, so I remain unsurprised.
    - JamesDeansSon 3y ago
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      - tristor 3y ago
        Yes, it's my cowardice that makes me unable to entertain your delusions, not my close grasp on reality. Whatever it takes for you to get through the day, buddy.

tristor 3y ago

I don’t want to try to convince you otherwise so lets talk about reality. Due to the reality of scarcity, those who do no work and expect that they will be cared for do in fact harm others. Scamming government benefits and failing to contribute to society when you are entirely able is not just selfish, it directly damages society and harms those with legitimate needs as well. > Why should they? For what reason? If they do nothing productive and meaningful, don't hurt anyone, and don't desire to change, what is the reason they should change? As long as scarcity is real, the idea that you are owed an existence without work is beyond selfish and entitled, it is directly harmful. They /are/ hurting others.

paulcole 3y ago
Scarcity exists but it isn’t real. It’s created by people to convince each other that we need to keep working. There are enough empty houses and apartments to house everyone, but there’s a bunch of people in a tent around the corner from my apartment. Food waste is astounding but people still go hungry.
- tristor 3y ago
  The fact you believe this tells me you have a loose association with reality. There’s really nothing more to discuss. Food doesn’t appear on tables via magic, somebody gets their hands dirty. Commies aren’t known for their sensibilities, so I remain unsurprised.
  - JamesDeansSon 3y ago
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    - tristor 3y ago
      Yes, it's my cowardice that makes me unable to entertain your delusions, not my close grasp on reality. Whatever it takes for you to get through the day, buddy.