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Older style/clothing that we associate with older generations, higher alcoholism/smoking prevalence, higher androgen levels (in men).

snovymgodym 3y ago
Yeah, all this plus more men working physical labor jobs and working outside. Sunlight ages your skin pretty hard, especially at lower melanin levels.
- est31 3y ago
  Dating apps in both southern europe as well as northern europe show such a massive difference in how old people look compared to their actual ages.
  - willsmith72 3y ago
    In which way? Are the northerners older-looking because their skin can't handle the sun? Are the southerners older-looking because they get more sun?
    - runnerup 3y ago
      I’d also be curious about any disparate economic conditions 30-50 years ago as were judging older peoples appearances.
    - est31 3y ago
      Exactly, northerners look younger and southerners look older. It might be genetics, but I think it's more due to the sun. Exceptions exist of course, but I think there is a trend.
      - wizofaus 3y ago
        Yet supposedly the "Mediterranean" lifestyle is better for us overall...
        Arrath 3y ago
        I've heard that espoused in reference to their diet, not the sun exposure of their more southerly located environ.
        wizofaus 3y ago
        That and an arguably a better work/life balance, and lack of SAD from excessively dark/cold/long winters.
        Arrath 3y ago
        Fair point about SAD, knowing plenty of people in far north Alaska. But there is a huge difference between "23 hours of darkness in the winter" and "On the beach so often your skin resembled tanned leather by 32 years of age"
        hgsgm 3y ago
        Weathered skin doesn't kill you.
        wizofaus 3y ago
        Skin cancer, on the other hand, is my one of own country's bigger killers (11th biggest cause of death I think).
        est31 3y ago
        Interestingly, skin cancer incidences are highest in northern europe, which is maybe due to the fair skin that people up there have: https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/07/19/skin-cancer-which-eu-countries-have-the-highest-melanoma-incidence-and-mortality-rates https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/07/19/skin-cancer-which-e...
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m463 3y ago
I wonder about photography. Current photography benefits enormously from lots of automatic and manual technology that make photos look bright, modern, smooth and generally very attractive. compare this to film photography, which did not have the dynamic range, light sensitivity, color balance and other benefits, and could generally be improved only by sustained manual effort. (and older photography was black and white, and which added years and psychological distance to any photo) Just think of the benefits from a modern phone camera taking a candid photograph of yourself, at night, at arms length.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  You don’t have to go very far back for this hypothesis to fail. Consider that on the classic American show the Golden Girls, a sitcom of seniors, the youngest of them was 53 (played by a 51 year old actress.) We simply dress and act differently in our older age these days.
  - m463 3y ago
    I wonder. take a look at my contrived comparison: https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=james+dean https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=ja... https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=chris+pratt https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=ch...
    - bobthepanda 3y ago
      The confounding factor is that in 2023 Hollywood studios assign stars nutritionists and personal trainers to get them where they need to be. Chris Pratt pictured here dropped 60 pounds in 6 months: https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/how-chris-pratt-dropped-60-pounds-six-months https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/how-chris-pratt-d... Men were not subjected to this during early Hollywood. (Women weren’t so lucky; studios encouraged drug abuse in women to keep them thin, and the most famous example is probably Judy Garland of The Wizard of Oz)
    - maxerickson 3y ago

snovymgodym 3y ago

Yeah, all this plus more men working physical labor jobs and working outside. Sunlight ages your skin pretty hard, especially at lower melanin levels.

est31 3y ago
Dating apps in both southern europe as well as northern europe show such a massive difference in how old people look compared to their actual ages.
- willsmith72 3y ago
  In which way? Are the northerners older-looking because their skin can't handle the sun? Are the southerners older-looking because they get more sun?
  - runnerup 3y ago
    I’d also be curious about any disparate economic conditions 30-50 years ago as were judging older peoples appearances.
  - est31 3y ago
    Exactly, northerners look younger and southerners look older. It might be genetics, but I think it's more due to the sun. Exceptions exist of course, but I think there is a trend.
    - wizofaus 3y ago
      Yet supposedly the "Mediterranean" lifestyle is better for us overall...
      - Arrath 3y ago
        I've heard that espoused in reference to their diet, not the sun exposure of their more southerly located environ.
        wizofaus 3y ago
        That and an arguably a better work/life balance, and lack of SAD from excessively dark/cold/long winters.
        Arrath 3y ago
        Fair point about SAD, knowing plenty of people in far north Alaska. But there is a huge difference between "23 hours of darkness in the winter" and "On the beach so often your skin resembled tanned leather by 32 years of age"
      - hgsgm 3y ago
        Weathered skin doesn't kill you.
        wizofaus 3y ago
        Skin cancer, on the other hand, is my one of own country's bigger killers (11th biggest cause of death I think).
        est31 3y ago
        Interestingly, skin cancer incidences are highest in northern europe, which is maybe due to the fair skin that people up there have: https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/07/19/skin-cancer-which-eu-countries-have-the-highest-melanoma-incidence-and-mortality-rates https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/07/19/skin-cancer-which-e...
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m463 3y ago

I wonder about photography. Current photography benefits enormously from lots of automatic and manual technology that make photos look bright, modern, smooth and generally very attractive. compare this to film photography, which did not have the dynamic range, light sensitivity, color balance and other benefits, and could generally be improved only by sustained manual effort. (and older photography was black and white, and which added years and psychological distance to any photo) Just think of the benefits from a modern phone camera taking a candid photograph of yourself, at night, at arms length.

bobthepanda 3y ago
You don’t have to go very far back for this hypothesis to fail. Consider that on the classic American show the Golden Girls, a sitcom of seniors, the youngest of them was 53 (played by a 51 year old actress.) We simply dress and act differently in our older age these days.
- m463 3y ago
  I wonder. take a look at my contrived comparison: https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=james+dean https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=ja... https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=chris+pratt https://duckduckgo.com/?iax=images&ia=images&iar=images&q=ch...
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    The confounding factor is that in 2023 Hollywood studios assign stars nutritionists and personal trainers to get them where they need to be. Chris Pratt pictured here dropped 60 pounds in 6 months: https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/how-chris-pratt-dropped-60-pounds-six-months https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/how-chris-pratt-d... Men were not subjected to this during early Hollywood. (Women weren’t so lucky; studios encouraged drug abuse in women to keep them thin, and the most famous example is probably Judy Garland of The Wizard of Oz)
  - maxerickson 3y ago