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Hmm? Oxalates causing less severe damage (kidney stones) is more common than just one woman. If you are a vegan you know you need to go easy on things like raw
by hackerlight 3y ago
Hmm? Oxalates causing less severe damage (kidney stones) is more common than just one woman. If you are a vegan you know you need to go easy on things like raw spinach and almonds.
- hombre_fatal 3y agoCould you bring some empirics to the table for normal people having a common problem with oxalates at normal doses without predisposing issues like kidney disease or the ones the woman had in the case study? Does "going easy on oxalates" just mean you have fewer than six spinach smoothies per day? I'm used to these dietary memes cashing out into either trivial claims or nothing burgers.
- retrac 3y ago> Oxalic acid has an oral LDLo (lowest published lethal dose) of 600 mg/kg.[62] It has been reported that the lethal oral dose is 15 to 30 grams. and > Frozen commercially available spinach in New Zealand contains 736.6 ± 20.4 mg/100g wet matter (WM) soluble oxalate while the USDA says about 900 mg per 100 g for American spinach on average. So roughly 1% of the wet spinach by weight. 1 kilo of high-oxalate spinach probably has 10 - 20 grams of oxalic acid. That's a lot of spinach, but probably chuggable in one day in smoothie format. Far too close to the LD50 estimate for my comfort! For one large salad, it's unlikely to exceed a couple grams. I'm unsure about the effects of chronic lower dose exposure.
- hombre_fatal 3y agoThis is what I mean, though. How many people regurgitating "Be sure to watch out for oxalates!" know that we're talking about thousands of grams of spinach? Looking it up, people generally eat 50-200mg of oxalates per day with 1000mg being the outlier high end. Eat your spinach. If you're worried, then cook it.
- DennisP 3y agoWell there's the dose that kills you, but there's also the dose that over time gives you kidney stones, if you're prone to that.
- jeffbee 3y agoWait how easy do I need to go on the almonds? I’ve been eating maybe half a pound a week. Despite your statement I don’t think this knowledge is automatically distributed amongst vegans.
- jacquesm 3y agoA̶r̶s̶e̶n̶i̶c̶ Cyanide is the thing to watch for I believe. Stay away from bitter almonds, roasted should be fine. You'd have to eat a 25 Kg bag of sweet almonds to get into trouble. Not sure about the cumulative effects though, that might be worth checking into.
- ansible 3y agoI assume this issue is the same with almond milk? I'm almost always buying oatmilk, though.
- walnutclosefarm 3y agoNot Arsenic, but rather bitter almonds contain compounds that the body degrades into cyanide.
- jacquesm 3y agoAh yes, that was it, sorry for mixing those up. But regardless, bad idea to eat any sizeable quantity of bitter almonds.
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- twistedanimator 3y agoDo you not have to worry about oxalates from raw spinach and almonds if you're not vegan? What protects you from kidney stones in animal foods?