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From experience CC advice and other similar corp bs techniques are like “self defense class” techniques of communication meaning they only work if the other par

From experience CC advice and other similar corp bs techniques are like “self defense class” techniques of communication meaning they only work if the other party is well meaning and actively cooperating. Which is to say they rarely work even if properly executed.

TylerE 3y ago
Sort of like how MMA showed that most of the traditional martial arts aren't actually good except as exercise.
- tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
  MMA showed everyone that shielding yourself with the back of your head is a great tactic in a sport where you can't strike the back of someone's head.
tptacek 3y ago
If your team is mostly comprised of people operating in bad faith, no advice (other than "disband") is going to help you. The premise of this article is that you have a team operating in good faith, but with fragile trust, which is a much more common problem in startups than a team of vipers.
- dilyevsky 3y ago
  That’s certainly true but these techniques also dont work on people who just don’t care rather than being outright malicious and there seems to be a lot more of those
  - tptacek 3y ago
    That's true. It's a good point. They also don't work on dogs, so you should keep that in mind if your team is largely canine in nature.
    - dilyevsky 3y ago
      There is no way to tell if you do on the Internet. It is known
redhale 3y ago
I'd say it's more like defensive driving techniques. They are not guaranteed to save you from a wreck in all situations, but they maximize your chances of getting the best outcome possible. But still, sometimes you just get t-boned by a lunatic.
langsoul-com 3y ago
Isn't that the case for everything? Trying to repair a relationship is difficult and might fail. But, not doing anything will 100% doom it. So wouldn't it be better to make an effort, then, if you've given a reasonable effort to ditch the relationship?
- dilyevsky 3y ago
  Some other comments have touched on that already - in short, it's worth considering the risk of being taken advantage of.

TylerE 3y ago

Sort of like how MMA showed that most of the traditional martial arts aren't actually good except as exercise.

tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
MMA showed everyone that shielding yourself with the back of your head is a great tactic in a sport where you can't strike the back of someone's head.

tptacek 3y ago

If your team is mostly comprised of people operating in bad faith, no advice (other than "disband") is going to help you. The premise of this article is that you have a team operating in good faith, but with fragile trust, which is a much more common problem in startups than a team of vipers.

dilyevsky 3y ago
That’s certainly true but these techniques also dont work on people who just don’t care rather than being outright malicious and there seems to be a lot more of those
- tptacek 3y ago
  That's true. It's a good point. They also don't work on dogs, so you should keep that in mind if your team is largely canine in nature.
  - dilyevsky 3y ago
    There is no way to tell if you do on the Internet. It is known

redhale 3y ago

I'd say it's more like defensive driving techniques. They are not guaranteed to save you from a wreck in all situations, but they maximize your chances of getting the best outcome possible. But still, sometimes you just get t-boned by a lunatic.

langsoul-com 3y ago

Isn't that the case for everything? Trying to repair a relationship is difficult and might fail. But, not doing anything will 100% doom it. So wouldn't it be better to make an effort, then, if you've given a reasonable effort to ditch the relationship?

dilyevsky 3y ago
Some other comments have touched on that already - in short, it's worth considering the risk of being taken advantage of.