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Both things can be true: that ancient fires drove large mammals extinct, and that sea level rise cause a specific local species to go extinct when its habitat w

Both things can be true: that ancient fires drove large mammals extinct, and that sea level rise cause a specific local species to go extinct when its habitat was fully flooded.

paganel 3y ago
So why doesn't the Western media still push the discourse of sea-level rise and "NYC is going to get drowned any minute now!"?
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Maybe you're just not reading any of it? Ten days old: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2023/new-orleans-sea-level-hurricane-wetlands/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interacti... NYC, specifically: https://abcnews.go.com/Awards/rising-sea-levels-affect-new-york-city-americas/story?id=99583149 https://abcnews.go.com/Awards/rising-sea-levels-affect-new-y...
- rralian 3y ago
  I don’t understand your point. It seems to be that Western media is somehow biased, but I’m not sure in what way. I’m pretty confident that global temperatures will continue to rise and that sea levels will rise and cause massive problems for coastal populations over my lifetime. But I’m mostly consuming Western media. Do you disagree with these points? And what non-Western media do you feel is more correct?
- ygjb 3y ago
  Because rising sea levels doesn't get clicks anymore, but if you read actual literature on the topic, there are ongoing concerns and considerations. On a more practical level, it's not a major North American or European city, so it doesn't capture Western media's attention, but the Republic of Kiribati[1] has an estimated <80 years before it's primary land masses are completely submerged, with some being lost nearly 20 years ago. Kiribati is a canary in a coal mine for climate change related activity in coastal regions. The government of that nation has very progressively purchased land in Fiji, and presumably in other places to aid with resettlement efforts. There have been legal tests (and denials of claims) for at least one person claiming to be a climate refugee from Kiribati. Even before the sea levels rise, the arable land and liveable areas will be wiped out. This isn't theoretical, it just isn't directly affecting (yet) the exceedingly wealthy, major western cities, or white folks, so it doesn't get as much press. Some other areas that are starting to recognize the impacts of rising sea levels include Kolkata, Guangzhou, Miami, New York, and more directly personally affecting me, Vancouver! Unfortunately the main point of recognition is that significant portions of these cities will be below sea level at some point in the next century, barring solutions like seawalls, and other methods to try to save them. It's been almost 20 years since the levees failed in NOLA, but it hasn't stopped people thinking we can hold back the ocean. Things are going to be crazy in the next couple of decades. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiribati https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiribati
  - icameron 3y ago
    Kiribati, in more than one way is living in the future. For two hours of the day are 2 calendar days ahead of most of us. (Being UTC+14)

Both things can be true: that ancient fires drove large mammals extinct, and that sea level rise cause a specific local species to go extinct when its habitat was fully flooded.

paganel 3y ago

So why doesn't the Western media still push the discourse of sea-level rise and "NYC is going to get drowned any minute now!"?

ceejayoz 3y ago
Maybe you're just not reading any of it? Ten days old: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interactive/2023/new-orleans-sea-level-hurricane-wetlands/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/interacti... NYC, specifically: https://abcnews.go.com/Awards/rising-sea-levels-affect-new-york-city-americas/story?id=99583149 https://abcnews.go.com/Awards/rising-sea-levels-affect-new-y...
rralian 3y ago
I don’t understand your point. It seems to be that Western media is somehow biased, but I’m not sure in what way. I’m pretty confident that global temperatures will continue to rise and that sea levels will rise and cause massive problems for coastal populations over my lifetime. But I’m mostly consuming Western media. Do you disagree with these points? And what non-Western media do you feel is more correct?
ygjb 3y ago
Because rising sea levels doesn't get clicks anymore, but if you read actual literature on the topic, there are ongoing concerns and considerations. On a more practical level, it's not a major North American or European city, so it doesn't capture Western media's attention, but the Republic of Kiribati[1] has an estimated <80 years before it's primary land masses are completely submerged, with some being lost nearly 20 years ago. Kiribati is a canary in a coal mine for climate change related activity in coastal regions. The government of that nation has very progressively purchased land in Fiji, and presumably in other places to aid with resettlement efforts. There have been legal tests (and denials of claims) for at least one person claiming to be a climate refugee from Kiribati. Even before the sea levels rise, the arable land and liveable areas will be wiped out. This isn't theoretical, it just isn't directly affecting (yet) the exceedingly wealthy, major western cities, or white folks, so it doesn't get as much press. Some other areas that are starting to recognize the impacts of rising sea levels include Kolkata, Guangzhou, Miami, New York, and more directly personally affecting me, Vancouver! Unfortunately the main point of recognition is that significant portions of these cities will be below sea level at some point in the next century, barring solutions like seawalls, and other methods to try to save them. It's been almost 20 years since the levees failed in NOLA, but it hasn't stopped people thinking we can hold back the ocean. Things are going to be crazy in the next couple of decades. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiribati https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiribati
- icameron 3y ago
  Kiribati, in more than one way is living in the future. For two hours of the day are 2 calendar days ahead of most of us. (Being UTC+14)