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Except gluing yourself to LLVM has it's own problems. Like, for example, any platform that LLVM doesn't support you can't support either. LLVM is great. The mon

by zer8k 3y ago

Except gluing yourself to LLVM has it's own problems. Like, for example, any platform that LLVM doesn't support you can't support either. LLVM is great. The monoculture and smug elitism it produces is not. > Acting like it's a second tier language because actively doing so not a top focus of the community is gatekeep-y and ridiculous. It is probably one of the major reasons we won't see a Rust compiler shipped with an operating system for a very long time. That doesn't make it second tier. However, Rust fans seem to want to stick their head in the sand when their baby is criticized. I am a Rust (language) fan myself. I am just willing to criticize the language. I do not understand why the Rust community has such a volatile response to honest, valid, criticism.

learn-forever 3y ago
it's a ridiculous criticism, and the insult doesn't make it less ridiculous
dralley 3y ago
>It is probably one of the major reasons we won't see a Rust compiler shipped with an operating system for a very long time. Even most linux distros don't ship with GCC out of the box... much less MacOS and Windows with their respective compilers. If your standard is "Gentoo and FreeBSD will never ship it out of the box" then I'm going to 100% stand by my statement that this is weird and gatekeep-y. Especially when the Windows kernel and userspace system libraries both have Rust in them. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-build-ships-with-more-rust-based-kernel-features/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-... https://www.thurrott.com/windows/282471/microsoft-is-rewriting-parts-of-the-windows-kernel-in-rust https://www.thurrott.com/windows/282471/microsoft-is-rewriti...
tialaramex 3y ago
> we won't see a Rust compiler shipped with an operating system for a very long time. I can't figure out what this constraint means. My Windows laptop doesn't seem to have provided a C compiler, so, maybe that's a problem for Windows? Huh, well I guess I can buy or download a third party compiler, that's easy enough, but then, I can do that for Rust too, so, doesn't seem like a difference. Meanwhile on this Fedora machine, the Rust compiler came with the OS. So, is this not an operating system? Maybe the stuff it comes with isn't "shipped with" it somehow? And so there's no C compiler "shipped with" this operating system either, although GCC was installed too ? I just don't know what to make of such a criticism.

by zer8k 3y ago

learn-forever 3y ago

it's a ridiculous criticism, and the insult doesn't make it less ridiculous

dralley 3y ago

>It is probably one of the major reasons we won't see a Rust compiler shipped with an operating system for a very long time. Even most linux distros don't ship with GCC out of the box... much less MacOS and Windows with their respective compilers. If your standard is "Gentoo and FreeBSD will never ship it out of the box" then I'm going to 100% stand by my statement that this is weird and gatekeep-y. Especially when the Windows kernel and userspace system libraries both have Rust in them. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-11-build-ships-with-more-rust-based-kernel-features/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-... https://www.thurrott.com/windows/282471/microsoft-is-rewriting-parts-of-the-windows-kernel-in-rust https://www.thurrott.com/windows/282471/microsoft-is-rewriti...

tialaramex 3y ago

> we won't see a Rust compiler shipped with an operating system for a very long time. I can't figure out what this constraint means. My Windows laptop doesn't seem to have provided a C compiler, so, maybe that's a problem for Windows? Huh, well I guess I can buy or download a third party compiler, that's easy enough, but then, I can do that for Rust too, so, doesn't seem like a difference. Meanwhile on this Fedora machine, the Rust compiler came with the OS. So, is this not an operating system? Maybe the stuff it comes with isn't "shipped with" it somehow? And so there's no C compiler "shipped with" this operating system either, although GCC was installed too ? I just don't know what to make of such a criticism.