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I mean that seems fine. There's kids as young as 16 there and it's run by the federal government, I would not expect them to let you bring in alcohol or show up

I mean that seems fine. There's kids as young as 16 there and it's run by the federal government, I would not expect them to let you bring in alcohol or show up trashed.

gowld 3y ago
It's a bit iffy if your own bed is on-center, so your can't sleep off off-center inebriation.
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- TylerE 3y ago
  Sounds like its teaching valuable life skills to me.
  - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
    It's fine to have ass-backwards, puritanical views, but it's not really the government's place to try to push them on vulnerable people.
    - salad-tycoon 3y ago
      I think you’re missing the boat here. The kids and young adults are in a specific job training program, not to get trashed but to learn. Furthermore, lots of programs (private and public) have substance free requirements. Anyways, requiring people to not come home trashed is by no means puritanical. They didn’t say you have to be completely sober and join a teetotaler society they just said “ don’t get visibly intoxicated.”
verteu 3y ago
Personally it strikes me as Puritanical -- rather than prohibiting disruptive or abusive behavior, the regulation bans a particular state of mind.
- TylerE 3y ago
  It doesn't ban it. It bans it ON PROPERTY. If someone values getting fucked up all the time more than their career, fine, but don't subsidize that behavior with my tax dollars. These people are not just getting free training, but free room and board, clothing, tech, and even a stipend on top.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    Everyone gets free life. That cost has to be subsidized by someone. None of us truly gets to choose who will pay, just like none of us chose to be born in the first place.
- Aurornis 3y ago
  They can do whatever they want on their own property. If they want subsidized housing, they have to play by the rules. It's not about banning "mind states". Once you have shared dorm-style housing you have to be more careful about the rules. If you have minors getting and/or being obviously drunk on your shared dorm-style housing and you do nothing, you're going to be in for a huge scandal as soon as one of those drunk minors does something harmful to someone else. But let's think about this from a practical standpoint: If someone is quietly and safely getting drunk and then returning to their dorm unnoticed, nobody is going to know or care. This is a tool for them to exercise when people get out of line.
  - thomastjeffery 3y ago
    That is only truly moral if everyone involved is on equal footing with respect to the opportunity to own "their own property". The entire existence of programs like this depends on the opposite notion. Puritanical authoritarianism has an outsized effect on people who are less financially independent.
  - verteu 3y ago
    What do you mean "their property"? It's not private property, the program is funded by US taxpayers (eg: me).
rtpg 3y ago
"you can drink outside but you can't go home afterwards until you're not drunk" seems wild to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding how the center works.
- okaram 3y ago
  Why wild? Most people can have a few drinks, and stop before getting drunk; that's normal. Drinking until you are drunk is not normal.
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I mean that seems fine. There's kids as young as 16 there and it's run by the federal government, I would not expect them to let you bring in alcohol or show up trashed.

gowld 3y ago

It's a bit iffy if your own bed is on-center, so your can't sleep off off-center inebriation.

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TylerE 3y ago
Sounds like its teaching valuable life skills to me.
- OkayPhysicist 3y ago
  It's fine to have ass-backwards, puritanical views, but it's not really the government's place to try to push them on vulnerable people.
  - salad-tycoon 3y ago
    I think you’re missing the boat here. The kids and young adults are in a specific job training program, not to get trashed but to learn. Furthermore, lots of programs (private and public) have substance free requirements. Anyways, requiring people to not come home trashed is by no means puritanical. They didn’t say you have to be completely sober and join a teetotaler society they just said “ don’t get visibly intoxicated.”

verteu 3y ago

Personally it strikes me as Puritanical -- rather than prohibiting disruptive or abusive behavior, the regulation bans a particular state of mind.

TylerE 3y ago
It doesn't ban it. It bans it ON PROPERTY. If someone values getting fucked up all the time more than their career, fine, but don't subsidize that behavior with my tax dollars. These people are not just getting free training, but free room and board, clothing, tech, and even a stipend on top.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  Everyone gets free life. That cost has to be subsidized by someone. None of us truly gets to choose who will pay, just like none of us chose to be born in the first place.
Aurornis 3y ago
They can do whatever they want on their own property. If they want subsidized housing, they have to play by the rules. It's not about banning "mind states". Once you have shared dorm-style housing you have to be more careful about the rules. If you have minors getting and/or being obviously drunk on your shared dorm-style housing and you do nothing, you're going to be in for a huge scandal as soon as one of those drunk minors does something harmful to someone else. But let's think about this from a practical standpoint: If someone is quietly and safely getting drunk and then returning to their dorm unnoticed, nobody is going to know or care. This is a tool for them to exercise when people get out of line.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  That is only truly moral if everyone involved is on equal footing with respect to the opportunity to own "their own property". The entire existence of programs like this depends on the opposite notion. Puritanical authoritarianism has an outsized effect on people who are less financially independent.
- verteu 3y ago
  What do you mean "their property"? It's not private property, the program is funded by US taxpayers (eg: me).

rtpg 3y ago

"you can drink outside but you can't go home afterwards until you're not drunk" seems wild to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding how the center works.

okaram 3y ago
Why wild? Most people can have a few drinks, and stop before getting drunk; that's normal. Drinking until you are drunk is not normal.
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