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Seems you're not allowed to be 'drunk' even if you're of legal age. From the handbook [1]: "NOTE: Students who are aged 21 or older may drink alcohol when off
by verteu 3y ago
Seems you're not allowed to be 'drunk' even if you're of legal age. From the handbook [1]:
"NOTE: Students who are aged 21 or older may drink
alcohol when off center and not under center supervision;
however, they cannot bring alcohol onto the center.
In addition, if students of any age return to the center
intoxicated, it is categorized as a Level II
“intoxication” infraction described below."
Where:
"we consider an individual intoxicated when they exhibit a state in which their capacity to act or reason normally has been inhibited by the ingestion of a substance with the intent to cause such a state [including alcohol]" [2]
[1] https://prh.jobcorps.gov/Exhibits/Exhibit%202-1%20Infraction%20Levels%20Definitions%20and%20Appropriate%20Center%20Actions.pdf#search=alcohol https://prh.jobcorps.gov/Exhibits/Exhibit%202-1%20Infraction...
[2] https://supportservices.jobcorps.gov/Information%20Notices/in_17_01b.pdf https://supportservices.jobcorps.gov/Information%20Notices/i...
- soligern 3y agoSo like every college dorm ever
- burkaman 3y agoI mean that seems fine. There's kids as young as 16 there and it's run by the federal government, I would not expect them to let you bring in alcohol or show up trashed.
- gowld 3y agoIt's a bit iffy if your own bed is on-center, so your can't sleep off off-center inebriation.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- TylerE 3y agoSounds like its teaching valuable life skills to me.
- OkayPhysicist 3y agoIt's fine to have ass-backwards, puritanical views, but it's not really the government's place to try to push them on vulnerable people.
- salad-tycoon 3y agoI think you’re missing the boat here. The kids and young adults are in a specific job training program, not to get trashed but to learn. Furthermore, lots of programs (private and public) have substance free requirements. Anyways, requiring people to not come home trashed is by no means puritanical. They didn’t say you have to be completely sober and join a teetotaler society they just said “ don’t get visibly intoxicated.”
- verteu 3y agoPersonally it strikes me as Puritanical -- rather than prohibiting disruptive or abusive behavior, the regulation bans a particular state of mind.
- TylerE 3y agoIt doesn't ban it. It bans it ON PROPERTY. If someone values getting fucked up all the time more than their career, fine, but don't subsidize that behavior with my tax dollars. These people are not just getting free training, but free room and board, clothing, tech, and even a stipend on top.
- thomastjeffery 3y agoEveryone gets free life. That cost has to be subsidized by someone. None of us truly gets to choose who will pay, just like none of us chose to be born in the first place.
- Aurornis 3y agoThey can do whatever they want on their own property. If they want subsidized housing, they have to play by the rules. It's not about banning "mind states". Once you have shared dorm-style housing you have to be more careful about the rules. If you have minors getting and/or being obviously drunk on your shared dorm-style housing and you do nothing, you're going to be in for a huge scandal as soon as one of those drunk minors does something harmful to someone else. But let's think about this from a practical standpoint: If someone is quietly and safely getting drunk and then returning to their dorm unnoticed, nobody is going to know or care. This is a tool for them to exercise when people get out of line.
- thomastjeffery 3y agoThat is only truly moral if everyone involved is on equal footing with respect to the opportunity to own "their own property". The entire existence of programs like this depends on the opposite notion. Puritanical authoritarianism has an outsized effect on people who are less financially independent.
- rtpg 3y ago"you can drink outside but you can't go home afterwards until you're not drunk" seems wild to me, but maybe I'm misunderstanding how the center works.
- okaram 3y agoWhy wild? Most people can have a few drinks, and stop before getting drunk; that's normal. Drinking until you are drunk is not normal.
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- hackernewds 3y agothat seems like a reasonable recommendation. they are recipients instead of customers in this relationship
- gowld 3y agoSo students on scholarship should be sober, but not full pay students?
- Eisenstein 3y agoIt is reasonable to have rules regarding on-premises behavior. I don't agree with them, but there is nothing unreasonable about it. They probably also don't allow weapons or fireworks or other kinds of otherwise legal contraband.
- anon291 3y agoDrunk is different than drinking.