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China does ban US services for exactly this reason. Principles that work in a free society work within and between free societies. They don't work on an inter

China does ban US services for exactly this reason. Principles that work in a free society work within and between free societies. They don't work on an international scale between nations that are opposed to each other, geopolitically, the incentives are all wrong. Leaving morals and ideology aside, simply strategically, Russia, China and the US are all wise to distrust each other and put limits on how each other's corporations can act within their boundaries. It's not the same situation between allies. Like, sure the US can use facebook to mess with Germany or the UK politically, but their incentives aren't to destabilize their allies.

piskov 3y ago
> but their incentives aren't to destabilize their allies Why not? Take that “green” politics for example that lead Germany to close a lot of atomic plants and, now, basically, at mercy of US gas (which production surged 80%, if I’m not mistaken) And then US subsidies to move production to US so that some VW plant is cheaper in US than in Germany
kelnos 3y ago
I think it's fine for an otherwise-free society to decide that another country's government poses a threat to free societies elsewhere, and then do things like ban foreign investment and exports into the problematic country and its companies. But not allowing their own citizens to access content produced in that problematic country smacks of Soviet-style cold war isolation. Or, hell, the Chinese government's block on any outside news or media it doesn't agree with. Strategically, if the US (and others) want to remain free, democratic societies, doing things like banning TikTok is a step in the wrong direction.
- empath-nirvana 3y ago
  > But not allowing their own citizens to access content produced in that problematic country smacks of Soviet-style cold war isolation. Nobody is talking about that, though. Almost none of the content on Tik-Tok is produced in China. They're just talking about banning _the corporation_ from operating in the united states.

piskov 3y ago

> but their incentives aren't to destabilize their allies Why not? Take that “green” politics for example that lead Germany to close a lot of atomic plants and, now, basically, at mercy of US gas (which production surged 80%, if I’m not mistaken) And then US subsidies to move production to US so that some VW plant is cheaper in US than in Germany

kelnos 3y ago

I think it's fine for an otherwise-free society to decide that another country's government poses a threat to free societies elsewhere, and then do things like ban foreign investment and exports into the problematic country and its companies. But not allowing their own citizens to access content produced in that problematic country smacks of Soviet-style cold war isolation. Or, hell, the Chinese government's block on any outside news or media it doesn't agree with. Strategically, if the US (and others) want to remain free, democratic societies, doing things like banning TikTok is a step in the wrong direction.

empath-nirvana 3y ago
> But not allowing their own citizens to access content produced in that problematic country smacks of Soviet-style cold war isolation. Nobody is talking about that, though. Almost none of the content on Tik-Tok is produced in China. They're just talking about banning _the corporation_ from operating in the united states.