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I don't see why suffering from a natural disaster leaves you unable to make rational financial decisions.

by Bostonian 3y ago

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Which is why the governor of Hawaii makes the decision and not you.
- Bostonian 3y ago
  Being the governor of a state should not confer the right to suspend property rights, which is what this is. Owning something means being able to sell it.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    It is very common in disaster scenarios to put limits on trade or commerce when an emergency is declared. Emergency powers are broad, both at the state and federal levels. You are free to your opinion of course, the people of Hawaii will decide with their vote if the governor runs again. The governor is doing what they believe to best for their constituents. No solution is perfect. Democracy!
    - slaw 3y ago
      It is not democracy when Governor decides, it would be democracy if citizens of burned city vote.
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy > Representative democracy, also known as indirect democracy, is a type of democracy where elected people represent a group of people, in contrast to direct democracy. Nearly all modern Western-style democracies function as some type of representative democracy.
        slaw 3y ago
        Representative democracy would be there if major of the burned city makes the decision.
        pixl97 3y ago
        Do you just keep making up new definitions as you see fit? There is a well defined order of how our 'representational democracy' works, and in every state in the US the state is the ultimate arbiter of authority as defined per their constitutions.
    - oceanplexian 3y ago
      > Emergency powers are broad, both at the state and federal levels. This is often repeated by the media, but no, emergency powers aren't a magic card you can pull out to ignore the law. Emergency powers don't supersede the Constitution. The government preventing the sale of a property without any compensation would be very clearly considered a "taking". For example, even in cases of Eminent Domain the government still has to compensate you for the fair value of your property.
      - pixl97 3y ago
        Which is why these actions are generally limited in both scope and time, but 'limited' and non-existant are two different things.
mindslight 3y ago
Well maybe you should work on that.

I don't see why suffering from a natural disaster leaves you unable to make rational financial decisions.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Which is why the governor of Hawaii makes the decision and not you.

Bostonian 3y ago
Being the governor of a state should not confer the right to suspend property rights, which is what this is. Owning something means being able to sell it.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  It is very common in disaster scenarios to put limits on trade or commerce when an emergency is declared. Emergency powers are broad, both at the state and federal levels. You are free to your opinion of course, the people of Hawaii will decide with their vote if the governor runs again. The governor is doing what they believe to best for their constituents. No solution is perfect. Democracy!
  - slaw 3y ago
    It is not democracy when Governor decides, it would be democracy if citizens of burned city vote.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy > Representative democracy, also known as indirect democracy, is a type of democracy where elected people represent a group of people, in contrast to direct democracy. Nearly all modern Western-style democracies function as some type of representative democracy.
      - slaw 3y ago
        Representative democracy would be there if major of the burned city makes the decision.
        pixl97 3y ago
        Do you just keep making up new definitions as you see fit? There is a well defined order of how our 'representational democracy' works, and in every state in the US the state is the ultimate arbiter of authority as defined per their constitutions.
  - oceanplexian 3y ago
    > Emergency powers are broad, both at the state and federal levels. This is often repeated by the media, but no, emergency powers aren't a magic card you can pull out to ignore the law. Emergency powers don't supersede the Constitution. The government preventing the sale of a property without any compensation would be very clearly considered a "taking". For example, even in cases of Eminent Domain the government still has to compensate you for the fair value of your property.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      Which is why these actions are generally limited in both scope and time, but 'limited' and non-existant are two different things.

mindslight 3y ago

Well maybe you should work on that.