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The problem is that families sit in rows together, not usually in columns. And in busy airports it's not very ideal to get split up from your travel partners, e

The problem is that families sit in rows together, not usually in columns. And in busy airports it's not very ideal to get split up from your travel partners, especially if they are young, old, need assistance, etc.

very_good_man 3y ago
I believe the response to this objection is to just have the groups wait for later "flush"es / make "trades" with strangers who would otherwise exit in later waves.
- bhaney 3y ago
  That's a lot of extra coordination to add to a method that already depends on an awful lot of coordination.
ubj 3y ago
Second this point, especially when flying with young children. But I imagine that slight modifications could be made to get a hybrid approach.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Have y'all flown recently, or ever??? I feel it's hard enough these days to get people on planes to be fully clothed, semi-sober, and to refrain from violence. And somehow we're all going to coordinate perfectly to get this complicated choreography to work?
btilly 3y ago
This is what I came to say. The proposal is obviously written by someone who is single and travels alone.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  > Unresolved Issues: > How to accommodate the elderly, people with children, and groups. Guys, you have to read the article at least. It's stated in the "further discussion" section so at least add something more than just repeating the topic. Or, I suppose, rewritten in the vernacular of this site: "This comment is obviously written by someone who didn't read the proposal properly".
  - btilly 3y ago
    Your judgement is wrong. I had read that. I retain my opinion of the article. They ignore the elderly, families, and groups. Which are a large portion of travelers. Plus they acknowledge that they are creating passenger conflicts, and don't address that. Coming up with a better proposal than this is trivial. Here goes. During flight, lock the overhead bins. When deplaneing, those without overhead luggage go first, from first to last row as now. This makes sense because they generally walk faster because they have less stuff. Those with overhead luggage have to wait for the steward or stewardess to unlock the overhead bins following the fast group, and then exit from last row to first. Therefore those who are slow to get things out of bins, do not slow others. Those needing assistance wait until the very end, as now. Getting stuff out of bins is the gating factor here. And so there is no passenger conflict about the fast people leaving first, because the others are waiting on the bins being unlocked, then for people behind them to pass. And groups get to leave together. There you go. A faster approach than now. With fewer problems.
    - very_good_man 3y ago
      While I reject your condescending tone, locking the overheads is possibly a good idea but requires major equipment upgrades. I do not believe locking mechanisms in the overhead compartments are currently installed. Controls to instantly lock/unlock such systems remotely by one attendant, thousands of times, reliably, is yet another challenge. Better to engineer a solution that requires no new equipment.
      - btilly 3y ago
        When I compare tones, mine seems far less condescending than the person I was responding to. Engineering a solution that creates passenger conflict is not a good idea. I'd rather wait for slow people, than be around a loud argument at the end of a flight. I get enough stress already from hours of being cramped on a flight, I don't want more. Also you are adding entirely unnecessary requirements to my solution. There is no need for the unlocking to be instant. Just to be doable one by one by someone going around the pace of people dragging luggage. The technology used for security tags in clothing stores would be more than adequate. That said, I'm not seriously advocating for my solution. I'm just saying that it takes no more than 30 seconds to come up with something better than the one the blog post was about.

very_good_man 3y ago

I believe the response to this objection is to just have the groups wait for later "flush"es / make "trades" with strangers who would otherwise exit in later waves.

bhaney 3y ago
That's a lot of extra coordination to add to a method that already depends on an awful lot of coordination.

ubj 3y ago

Second this point, especially when flying with young children. But I imagine that slight modifications could be made to get a hybrid approach.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Have y'all flown recently, or ever??? I feel it's hard enough these days to get people on planes to be fully clothed, semi-sober, and to refrain from violence. And somehow we're all going to coordinate perfectly to get this complicated choreography to work?

btilly 3y ago

This is what I came to say. The proposal is obviously written by someone who is single and travels alone.

renewiltord 3y ago
> Unresolved Issues: > How to accommodate the elderly, people with children, and groups. Guys, you have to read the article at least. It's stated in the "further discussion" section so at least add something more than just repeating the topic. Or, I suppose, rewritten in the vernacular of this site: "This comment is obviously written by someone who didn't read the proposal properly".
- btilly 3y ago
  Your judgement is wrong. I had read that. I retain my opinion of the article. They ignore the elderly, families, and groups. Which are a large portion of travelers. Plus they acknowledge that they are creating passenger conflicts, and don't address that. Coming up with a better proposal than this is trivial. Here goes. During flight, lock the overhead bins. When deplaneing, those without overhead luggage go first, from first to last row as now. This makes sense because they generally walk faster because they have less stuff. Those with overhead luggage have to wait for the steward or stewardess to unlock the overhead bins following the fast group, and then exit from last row to first. Therefore those who are slow to get things out of bins, do not slow others. Those needing assistance wait until the very end, as now. Getting stuff out of bins is the gating factor here. And so there is no passenger conflict about the fast people leaving first, because the others are waiting on the bins being unlocked, then for people behind them to pass. And groups get to leave together. There you go. A faster approach than now. With fewer problems.
  - very_good_man 3y ago
    While I reject your condescending tone, locking the overheads is possibly a good idea but requires major equipment upgrades. I do not believe locking mechanisms in the overhead compartments are currently installed. Controls to instantly lock/unlock such systems remotely by one attendant, thousands of times, reliably, is yet another challenge. Better to engineer a solution that requires no new equipment.
    - btilly 3y ago
      When I compare tones, mine seems far less condescending than the person I was responding to. Engineering a solution that creates passenger conflict is not a good idea. I'd rather wait for slow people, than be around a loud argument at the end of a flight. I get enough stress already from hours of being cramped on a flight, I don't want more. Also you are adding entirely unnecessary requirements to my solution. There is no need for the unlocking to be instant. Just to be doable one by one by someone going around the pace of people dragging luggage. The technology used for security tags in clothing stores would be more than adequate. That said, I'm not seriously advocating for my solution. I'm just saying that it takes no more than 30 seconds to come up with something better than the one the blog post was about.