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It’s summarizing. That is by its very nature a reduction of an article to certain bias elements. It’s not rocket science or some evil magic. Jeeze you’d think

It’s summarizing. That is by its very nature a reduction of an article to certain bias elements. It’s not rocket science or some evil magic. Jeeze you’d think HackerNews never used anything that wasn’t a home brew open source libertarian approved product if you believed the comments here.

jorgesborges 3y ago
Not to mention the clear preference here for comments that summarize an article to avoid actually reading it. Or poison the well sufficiently for a person to say “oh well I already know what it says”.
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The_Colonel 3y ago
> some evil magic It can be. Summarizing process can be tweaked very slightly to give more space to certain POVs, make them sound more reliable than others via word choice etc. The subtlety can make it undetectable, yet it can have strong effects when applied on mass scale. I don't know how this will look like, but it is a very powerful technology to sway the public opinion one way or another.
- GenericPoster 3y ago
  Can you give some examples and point out the subtleties?
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    You can already try this with GPT, e.g. "Can you summarize XYZ while giving more attention to its negative impacts on the freedom of individual", contrast with "... to its benefits on the collective wellbeing". Both will be factually correct, but they will each manipulate the opinion of the non-expert reader by giving more attention to specific facts. GPT seems to be very strong in being able to present information with some specific accent, e.g. there are many examples of "write this in the style of [person, literary style, political slant]".
GreedClarifies 3y ago
"It’s not rocket science or some evil magic" It sure is. If you had told people in 2019 that a computer program could summarize large topics and write cogent output you would have been placed in the asylum.
- probably_wrong 3y ago
  Sorry, but that's incorrect. Leaving aside the mind-blowingly large amount of research on summarization that existed in 2019, I'll say this: by then the task was so we'll understood that there were multiple tldr bots on Reddit.
- michaelt 3y ago
  There's been an "AutoSummarise" tool in Microsoft Word since 2003 [1] Whats different these days is people might actually trust the tool enough to use it :) [1] https://www.officetooltips.com/word_2003/tips/getting_to_the_point_with_autosummarize.html https://www.officetooltips.com/word_2003/tips/getting_to_the...
- rvnx 3y ago
  In 2013 it was already done by kids: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-acquires-summly-app-150829007.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-acquires-summly-app-150...

jorgesborges 3y ago

Not to mention the clear preference here for comments that summarize an article to avoid actually reading it. Or poison the well sufficiently for a person to say “oh well I already know what it says”.

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The_Colonel 3y ago

> some evil magic It can be. Summarizing process can be tweaked very slightly to give more space to certain POVs, make them sound more reliable than others via word choice etc. The subtlety can make it undetectable, yet it can have strong effects when applied on mass scale. I don't know how this will look like, but it is a very powerful technology to sway the public opinion one way or another.

GenericPoster 3y ago
Can you give some examples and point out the subtleties?
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  You can already try this with GPT, e.g. "Can you summarize XYZ while giving more attention to its negative impacts on the freedom of individual", contrast with "... to its benefits on the collective wellbeing". Both will be factually correct, but they will each manipulate the opinion of the non-expert reader by giving more attention to specific facts. GPT seems to be very strong in being able to present information with some specific accent, e.g. there are many examples of "write this in the style of [person, literary style, political slant]".

GreedClarifies 3y ago

"It’s not rocket science or some evil magic" It sure is. If you had told people in 2019 that a computer program could summarize large topics and write cogent output you would have been placed in the asylum.

probably_wrong 3y ago
Sorry, but that's incorrect. Leaving aside the mind-blowingly large amount of research on summarization that existed in 2019, I'll say this: by then the task was so we'll understood that there were multiple tldr bots on Reddit.
michaelt 3y ago
There's been an "AutoSummarise" tool in Microsoft Word since 2003 [1] Whats different these days is people might actually trust the tool enough to use it :) [1] https://www.officetooltips.com/word_2003/tips/getting_to_the_point_with_autosummarize.html https://www.officetooltips.com/word_2003/tips/getting_to_the...
rvnx 3y ago
In 2013 it was already done by kids: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-acquires-summly-app-150829007.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-acquires-summly-app-150...