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Federal Judge Upholds Arizonans’ Right to Record the Police

28 points by glitcher 3y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
Fantastic news but this isn't at all surprising.
cogman10 3y ago
Great and everything, but what we really need is police accountability. Recording cops can help trigger some public outrage but so often the follow up to bad interactions is 1 week unpaid vacation or getting hired the next district over and a $1 million dollar bill for the local municipality. Until cops see personal impacts for violating civil rights, they aren't going to change.
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- ryaneager 3y ago
  Which will never happen as they are the “stick” the owning class uses to keep us workers in line. Only a general strike will create real change, but capitalism is designed to keep us tired and scared if losing the little we have. Band together and help your fellow workers, remember is workers vs owners. Not Left v Right that is a distraction to create infighting.
  - nathanaldensr 3y ago
    You can just come out and say "Communism is the answer," you know. There's no need for subterfuge.
    - ryaneager 3y ago
      Is Communism the answer? IDK. All I know is what we have currently is objectively bad for the planet and humanity.
    - hellisothers 3y ago
      How did you derive communism from theirs suggestions?
CoastalCoder 3y ago
What have been the strongest arguments in favor of the AZ law? (I'm pretty skeptical of the law, but I don't think my view is fully informed.)
- cogman10 3y ago
  Generally just some boot licking BS. "Cops have it hard enough as is and if people are recording them they might hesitate in shooting a rapist which could get a child murdered!" That sort of thing.
- judge2020 3y ago
  The law was passed with the argument that it's unsafe to record "within eight feet of officers", with exceptions for those that are "a person who is the subject of police contact". The intent was to not provoke officers trying to do their job, like a third party going up to them at a traffic stop and getting up in their face. But the law could have made general provisions about such disruptive behavior instead of adding stipulations specifically to recording the officers.
- duxup 3y ago
  Here is an op-ed by the bill's sponsor. https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2022/03/24/hb-2319-videotape-police-8-feet-during-violent-encounters/7130071001/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2022/03/24/hb-... It's a meandering argument to me as it makes a big deal about cops not knowing the intent of someone within 8 feet of the officer. If that's an issue I suppose anyone within 8 feet could possibly be a threat, but some magic 8 foot bubble would seem to be unrealistic to maintain anyway. I will say that as a rando individual (not a cop) I get how I wouldn't want to be recorded as videos can be skewed and so on. But as far as police goes that's something that is just part of life and they should also be making their own recordings to counter some of that. Side note: We've had several cases of various claims against cops in my area that were very quickly cleared up after there was a video captured by the cops. Without the video it would have been just he said he said type situation, but video cleared the cops (or at least showed the situation was far more complex) fairly quickly. There have been several "this is just like george floyd" situations where the rhetoric and outrage vanished fairly quickly after the video was released. They should be embracing that technology.
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
[dupe] Lots of discussion on this weeks back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36841837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36841837

28 points by glitcher 3y ago

Fantastic news but this isn't at all surprising.

Great and everything, but what we really need is police accountability. Recording cops can help trigger some public outrage but so often the follow up to bad interactions is 1 week unpaid vacation or getting hired the next district over and a $1 million dollar bill for the local municipality. Until cops see personal impacts for violating civil rights, they aren't going to change.

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ryaneager 3y ago
Which will never happen as they are the “stick” the owning class uses to keep us workers in line. Only a general strike will create real change, but capitalism is designed to keep us tired and scared if losing the little we have. Band together and help your fellow workers, remember is workers vs owners. Not Left v Right that is a distraction to create infighting.
- nathanaldensr 3y ago
  You can just come out and say "Communism is the answer," you know. There's no need for subterfuge.
  - ryaneager 3y ago
    Is Communism the answer? IDK. All I know is what we have currently is objectively bad for the planet and humanity.
  - hellisothers 3y ago
    How did you derive communism from theirs suggestions?

CoastalCoder 3y ago

What have been the strongest arguments in favor of the AZ law? (I'm pretty skeptical of the law, but I don't think my view is fully informed.)

cogman10 3y ago
Generally just some boot licking BS. "Cops have it hard enough as is and if people are recording them they might hesitate in shooting a rapist which could get a child murdered!" That sort of thing.
judge2020 3y ago
The law was passed with the argument that it's unsafe to record "within eight feet of officers", with exceptions for those that are "a person who is the subject of police contact". The intent was to not provoke officers trying to do their job, like a third party going up to them at a traffic stop and getting up in their face. But the law could have made general provisions about such disruptive behavior instead of adding stipulations specifically to recording the officers.
duxup 3y ago
Here is an op-ed by the bill's sponsor. https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2022/03/24/hb-2319-videotape-police-8-feet-during-violent-encounters/7130071001/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2022/03/24/hb-... It's a meandering argument to me as it makes a big deal about cops not knowing the intent of someone within 8 feet of the officer. If that's an issue I suppose anyone within 8 feet could possibly be a threat, but some magic 8 foot bubble would seem to be unrealistic to maintain anyway. I will say that as a rando individual (not a cop) I get how I wouldn't want to be recorded as videos can be skewed and so on. But as far as police goes that's something that is just part of life and they should also be making their own recordings to counter some of that. Side note: We've had several cases of various claims against cops in my area that were very quickly cleared up after there was a video captured by the cops. Without the video it would have been just he said he said type situation, but video cleared the cops (or at least showed the situation was far more complex) fairly quickly. There have been several "this is just like george floyd" situations where the rhetoric and outrage vanished fairly quickly after the video was released. They should be embracing that technology.

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

[dupe] Lots of discussion on this weeks back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36841837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36841837