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As previously said, search engines index and provide links. I’ll add that it constitutes fair use because a search engine isn’t itself a replacement for the art

As previously said, search engines index and provide links. I’ll add that it constitutes fair use because a search engine isn’t itself a replacement for the articles that it indexes. But ChatGPT is actually providing an alternative that obviates the original articles themselves.

nickthegreek 3y ago
Google started moving away from just providing links along time ago. They routinely scrap data and show it, keeping people from visiting the links. I don't see how this behavior could be allowed while also crushing LLMs. Personally, I like the flexibility of an LLM being able to describe a process at different skill levels. This is of tremendous educational value to the world.
8note 3y ago
Search engines provide links, but also titles and snippets of the page -- enough for you to decide if you want to visit, and Google will show you their cached page if you ask for it. Even the link is a copyrightable item -- artistic effort went into creating it
- capableweb 3y ago
  Search engines will also eventually stop serving the result if the source disappears. A LLM model that has been trained and published don't care at all about the source anymore.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  > Search engines provide links, but also titles and snippets of the page -- enough for you to decide if you want to visit Small snippets are allowed by copyright law. They are not infringing. > and Google will show you their cached page if you ask for it. Really? I haven't seen that in several years. How do you get it these days? I always assumed Google quit giving you that option exactly because of copyright issues. > Even the link is a copyrightable item -- artistic effort went into creating it IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that the current state of copyright law disagrees with you. Can you point to some concrete evidence that you're right?
  - snypher 3y ago
    >cached page http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.hackaday.com http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.hac... etc There's also a link in the three-dot menu next to the search result, but it doesn't always appear.
- abenga 3y ago
  The difference is that search engines don't say, "I created this".

nickthegreek 3y ago

Google started moving away from just providing links along time ago. They routinely scrap data and show it, keeping people from visiting the links. I don't see how this behavior could be allowed while also crushing LLMs. Personally, I like the flexibility of an LLM being able to describe a process at different skill levels. This is of tremendous educational value to the world.

8note 3y ago

Search engines provide links, but also titles and snippets of the page -- enough for you to decide if you want to visit, and Google will show you their cached page if you ask for it. Even the link is a copyrightable item -- artistic effort went into creating it

capableweb 3y ago
Search engines will also eventually stop serving the result if the source disappears. A LLM model that has been trained and published don't care at all about the source anymore.
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
> Search engines provide links, but also titles and snippets of the page -- enough for you to decide if you want to visit Small snippets are allowed by copyright law. They are not infringing. > and Google will show you their cached page if you ask for it. Really? I haven't seen that in several years. How do you get it these days? I always assumed Google quit giving you that option exactly because of copyright issues. > Even the link is a copyrightable item -- artistic effort went into creating it IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that the current state of copyright law disagrees with you. Can you point to some concrete evidence that you're right?
- snypher 3y ago
  >cached page http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.hackaday.com http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.hac... etc There's also a link in the three-dot menu next to the search result, but it doesn't always appear.
abenga 3y ago
The difference is that search engines don't say, "I created this".