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There're a bunch of corrupted inviduals with no counter power to keep them in check. No decisions are made for the benefit of the French people since a long tim

There're a bunch of corrupted inviduals with no counter power to keep them in check. No decisions are made for the benefit of the French people since a long time, every law passed is either to augment their power, rise taxes (already world top 1 or 2 depending on the year) or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Of course technology freedom will suffer from this as well.

rvnx 3y ago
Well if majority votes for them, it's important to respect the choice of the voters, even if you don't like their choice because you have other interests that you want to defend. The opposition in France are far from being angels, it's very similar to Democrats vs Republican situation in France (except Gauche vs Droite).
- binary132 3y ago
  What limits are you willing to place on this? Majorities can and do vote for monsters.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    Not only that, it's common to have a ballot that only presents a choice between two monsters. It's your fault if you vote for one and it's your fault if you stay home. Maybe the problem is systemic? Checks and balances that get eroded during populist waves, stay that way when the monster comes.
TacticalCoder 3y ago
> ... or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Yup this one in France is really a big problem. The public sector spendings officially represents something like 58.1% of the french GDP (official "Insee" numbers from 2023, for 2022)... France is not far from a planned economy and, unsurprisingly, it's a particularly harsh environment for real small private SMEs (i.e. those without friends at the state) and for entrepreneurs, for they're getting trounced by taxes. And that gigantic state (percentage wise of the GDP, not on the world stage) still cannot prevent days of riots and drug-dealers from ruling the streets (like in the city of Marseille). A deeply corrupt state where public servants are planted so that taxes can grow and, in return, the people don't even get safe streets. But all is fine and well for these corrupt politicians because soon they'll be able to prevent comments such as yours or mine from being read by anyone.
- WeylandYutani 3y ago
  France has always been pretty bad at running an economy. Ofcourse for the rest of Europe this is a good thing- French military ambitions have been consistently sabotaged by this oversight. Good military, brilliant engineers and capable bureaucrats but terrible merchants. And wars are won on the stock market.
  - bombolo 3y ago
    > Ofcourse for the rest of Europe this is a good thing For the kings sure… for the people much less. Imagine england being defeated and india being free of colonialism.
    - pmontra 3y ago
      Almost no part of the world was free from European colonialism. France was one of the largest colonial powers. If England lost to France maybe India would be speaking French instead of English now.
      - bombolo 3y ago
        And we can all agree that french revolution values are much better than whatever crap the rest of europe was pushing?
        pmontra 3y ago
        Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité: yes. What actually happened, the Terror and an Emperor: no.
        bombolo 3y ago
        I mean, study some history… with the emperor they still fared much better than before. Which is why they loved the emperor. But I understand that the anglosaxon history might be a bit biased and edited.
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>No decisions are made for the benefit of the French people since a long time, every law passed is either to augment their power, rise taxes or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Same in Germany as well. The country long stopped caring for its people and mainly operates as a vehicle for german industrial interests to make money. >There're a bunch of corrupted inviduals with no counter power to keep them in check. The guillotine has proven this to be incorect. Separating their heads from their bodies helps keep rulers unable to perform further acts of corruption.

rvnx 3y ago

Well if majority votes for them, it's important to respect the choice of the voters, even if you don't like their choice because you have other interests that you want to defend. The opposition in France are far from being angels, it's very similar to Democrats vs Republican situation in France (except Gauche vs Droite).

binary132 3y ago
What limits are you willing to place on this? Majorities can and do vote for monsters.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  Not only that, it's common to have a ballot that only presents a choice between two monsters. It's your fault if you vote for one and it's your fault if you stay home. Maybe the problem is systemic? Checks and balances that get eroded during populist waves, stay that way when the monster comes.

TacticalCoder 3y ago

> ... or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Yup this one in France is really a big problem. The public sector spendings officially represents something like 58.1% of the french GDP (official "Insee" numbers from 2023, for 2022)... France is not far from a planned economy and, unsurprisingly, it's a particularly harsh environment for real small private SMEs (i.e. those without friends at the state) and for entrepreneurs, for they're getting trounced by taxes. And that gigantic state (percentage wise of the GDP, not on the world stage) still cannot prevent days of riots and drug-dealers from ruling the streets (like in the city of Marseille). A deeply corrupt state where public servants are planted so that taxes can grow and, in return, the people don't even get safe streets. But all is fine and well for these corrupt politicians because soon they'll be able to prevent comments such as yours or mine from being read by anyone.

WeylandYutani 3y ago
France has always been pretty bad at running an economy. Ofcourse for the rest of Europe this is a good thing- French military ambitions have been consistently sabotaged by this oversight. Good military, brilliant engineers and capable bureaucrats but terrible merchants. And wars are won on the stock market.
- bombolo 3y ago
  > Ofcourse for the rest of Europe this is a good thing For the kings sure… for the people much less. Imagine england being defeated and india being free of colonialism.
  - pmontra 3y ago
    Almost no part of the world was free from European colonialism. France was one of the largest colonial powers. If England lost to France maybe India would be speaking French instead of English now.
    - bombolo 3y ago
      And we can all agree that french revolution values are much better than whatever crap the rest of europe was pushing?
      - pmontra 3y ago
        Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité: yes. What actually happened, the Terror and an Emperor: no.
        bombolo 3y ago
        I mean, study some history… with the emperor they still fared much better than before. Which is why they loved the emperor. But I understand that the anglosaxon history might be a bit biased and edited.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>No decisions are made for the benefit of the French people since a long time, every law passed is either to augment their power, rise taxes or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Same in Germany as well. The country long stopped caring for its people and mainly operates as a vehicle for german industrial interests to make money. >There're a bunch of corrupted inviduals with no counter power to keep them in check. The guillotine has proven this to be incorect. Separating their heads from their bodies helps keep rulers unable to perform further acts of corruption.