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What you call indoctrination most countries would call learning the ability to reason and escape previous indoctrination. Uneducated people are more easily misl
by SideQuark 3y ago
What you call indoctrination most countries would call learning the ability to reason and escape previous indoctrination. Uneducated people are more easily misled and abused by narcissistic leaders.
Lower wages, more unemployment, and an even larger gap between more educated and less educated, is not that great a plan, on average.
- Eumenes 3y agoPublic schools provide that for 12 years - I think young people can take the gas off the "education" for the 4 years following graduating high school. You can live in the real world for a bit, and college is still there if you decide you want it. I don't see the need to rush young people into destitution and more of the same.
- FooBarBizBazz 3y agoCan they even really consent to lifelong debt at that age?
- Ekaros 3y agoAlso how come they can be drafted or sing up for military service. Shouldn't we put stop to that and set minimum age to much higher level let's say 25 or 30? It can be similar lifelong mistake.
- Eumenes 3y agoI do believe they can consent. K-12 could do way better teaching financial literacy.
- SideQuark 3y agoFour year college stats: over 40% of students don't have loans. Of the remaining under 60%, mean debt is ~$30k and median debt is ~$20k of low interest loans. Average lifetime income gain is well over $1m. That's not lifelong debt. Most people buy houses that are many multiples of this, cats that are similar to this, and many other items with far less benefit. Calling this lifelong debt is nonsense and fringe outcomes at best.
- red-iron-pine 3y agosource me, cuz I don't believe that. and if true, I'm keen to see how -- I bet heavy enrollment in community colleges and dubious for-profit online schools may skew the numbers.
- SideQuark 3y agoGoogle college loan stats. Dozens of places to read, for example, [1,2,3]. All on the first few links. > I bet heavy enrollment in community colleges and dubious for-profit online schools may skew the numbers. When you have beliefs that are not formed by looking at well sourced data, but are made from anecdotes, then it's hard for you to believe actual data. Spend some time looking up proper sourced data, then claim disbelief. Or simply type a few words into google and read a few things. [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/average-student-loan-debt-statistics/ https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/average-student... [2] https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-statistics https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-statistics [3] https://www.lendingtree.com/student/student-loan-debt-statistics/ https://www.lendingtree.com/student/student-loan-debt-statis...
- SideQuark 3y agoThe facts, if you care to dig into stats, are that sitting out increases the chance you don't return, and less education pays less over a lifetime. Also claiming "destitution" is nonsense. See my other post with actual numbers, including context to what else people buy.
- FooBarBizBazz 3y ago> What you call indoctrination most countries would call learning the ability to reason and escape previous indoctrination. It's turtles all the way down...