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I thought they wanted "more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need

I thought they wanted "more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://archive.today/ia2z4 https://archive.today/ia2z4

myko 3y ago
Everything in that blog post looks reasonable, unlike what France is looking to do
- redeeman 3y ago
  yeah, I do agree that it was very reprehensible of trump to tell people to go home and be peaceful. I mean, how incompetent can he be? he spends all the effort scheming and plotting to illegitimately take over the government, capture the capital, and overthrow the good men and women working there, only to then go and screw it up at the end by telling people to PEACEFULLY make their voices heard, and then double down on this monumental screwup, by telling them to go home???? my god how stupid can trump be.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
  Mozilla wants to stop "disinformation". France's excuse of fraud doesn't exactly overlap but what is fraud other than disinformation with a goal of direct monetary gain? Mozilla also don't say who will be the ultimate arbiter so France is answering. Mozilla want transparency of how bad things are dealt with and France is giving a clear list and telling them how to do it. Exactly the same way as Mozilla celebrates by ensuring nobody can see the bad thing. This may sound like I support what France is proposing. I don't. However I'm not French so I don't get a say. I thoroughly enjoy the hypocrisy of Mozilla's statements on these matters. "Stop Bad Things." "No not like that!"
goodbyesf 3y ago
Exactly. Mozilla is one of the worst tech companies pretending to do good. Tech wasn't always like this. In the 00s, everyone was for free speech. Mozilla wasn't like this either. Hate to say it, but once the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. Of course to fight 'hate speech' - whatever that means. It's like someone or some group flipped a switch and everyone from business to politics started singing a different tune. Once again, everything we accuse china of, we are. China has a single party controlled media right? How is it that one day, every commercial and media suddenly became so 'diverse'? Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. Just asking who flipped the switch?
- ednxzu 3y ago
  > the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. That's an entirely different issue tho, a private company regulating its own product has nothing to do with a gov trying to restrict internet access to its citizens.
  - goodbyesf 3y ago
    > That's an entirely different issue tho, a private company regulating its own product has nothing to do with a gov trying to restrict internet access to its citizens. That's my point. A private company regulating its own product is fine as long as it is private and independent. My point is that all 'private' companies appear to be following the same script which isn't something we'd expect from private independent companies. What's strange is that someone flipped a switch and all private companies, both political parties and government itself started behaving in the same manner. It's not just online censorship, it's the broad cultural campaign of chaos all under the banner of 'minority, lgbt and women's rights' mostly. Did every company in every industry from motorcycles to hollywood to news all magically decide to speak with one voice. Or is it that they were all directed to. In china, it's obvious who is in charge. The communist party. They give orders, everyone follows. Who is giving orders to the our private companies, political parties and government?
    - hooverd 3y ago
      That's the marketplace of ideas, baby.
    - eigenket 3y ago
      This comment feels a little conspiracy theory-ish. If a sufficiently big block of customers likes the idea of 'minority, lgbt and women's rights as you put it, they you're gonna see a bunch of companies trying to present themselves in a way that if favorable to that block.
      - 3y ago

myko 3y ago

Everything in that blog post looks reasonable, unlike what France is looking to do

redeeman 3y ago
yeah, I do agree that it was very reprehensible of trump to tell people to go home and be peaceful. I mean, how incompetent can he be? he spends all the effort scheming and plotting to illegitimately take over the government, capture the capital, and overthrow the good men and women working there, only to then go and screw it up at the end by telling people to PEACEFULLY make their voices heard, and then double down on this monumental screwup, by telling them to go home???? my god how stupid can trump be.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 3y ago
Mozilla wants to stop "disinformation". France's excuse of fraud doesn't exactly overlap but what is fraud other than disinformation with a goal of direct monetary gain? Mozilla also don't say who will be the ultimate arbiter so France is answering. Mozilla want transparency of how bad things are dealt with and France is giving a clear list and telling them how to do it. Exactly the same way as Mozilla celebrates by ensuring nobody can see the bad thing. This may sound like I support what France is proposing. I don't. However I'm not French so I don't get a say. I thoroughly enjoy the hypocrisy of Mozilla's statements on these matters. "Stop Bad Things." "No not like that!"

goodbyesf 3y ago

Exactly. Mozilla is one of the worst tech companies pretending to do good. Tech wasn't always like this. In the 00s, everyone was for free speech. Mozilla wasn't like this either. Hate to say it, but once the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. Of course to fight 'hate speech' - whatever that means. It's like someone or some group flipped a switch and everyone from business to politics started singing a different tune. Once again, everything we accuse china of, we are. China has a single party controlled media right? How is it that one day, every commercial and media suddenly became so 'diverse'? Not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing. Just asking who flipped the switch?

ednxzu 3y ago
> the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. That's an entirely different issue tho, a private company regulating its own product has nothing to do with a gov trying to restrict internet access to its citizens.
- goodbyesf 3y ago
  > That's an entirely different issue tho, a private company regulating its own product has nothing to do with a gov trying to restrict internet access to its citizens. That's my point. A private company regulating its own product is fine as long as it is private and independent. My point is that all 'private' companies appear to be following the same script which isn't something we'd expect from private independent companies. What's strange is that someone flipped a switch and all private companies, both political parties and government itself started behaving in the same manner. It's not just online censorship, it's the broad cultural campaign of chaos all under the banner of 'minority, lgbt and women's rights' mostly. Did every company in every industry from motorcycles to hollywood to news all magically decide to speak with one voice. Or is it that they were all directed to. In china, it's obvious who is in charge. The communist party. They give orders, everyone follows. Who is giving orders to the our private companies, political parties and government?
  - hooverd 3y ago
    That's the marketplace of ideas, baby.
  - eigenket 3y ago
    This comment feels a little conspiracy theory-ish. If a sufficiently big block of customers likes the idea of 'minority, lgbt and women's rights as you put it, they you're gonna see a bunch of companies trying to present themselves in a way that if favorable to that block.
    - 3y ago