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An individual or group of individuals doing this and sharing their views/summary vs. a profit-oriented program funded by major technology companies scraping thi

An individual or group of individuals doing this and sharing their views/summary vs. a profit-oriented program funded by major technology companies scraping this information and spitting it back out algorithmically does seem different to me. Yes, perhaps both things are on the same "sliding scale", but I do not view them as fundamentally equivalent actions.

pixl97 3y ago
>a profit-oriented program The particular problem here is this program isn't magic, it just requires a lot of electricity and hardware to train at the moment. If at some point in the future this hardware becomes cheap then now suddenly OSS LLMs would be under the same set of rules that we're applying to major technology companies. But mark my words, the large copyright holding groups don't give any shits other than how much IP they can scrape up and demand money for, for the next few human lifetimes.
satvikpendem 3y ago
So I can use an open source LLM like Llama then?
- HelloMcFly 3y ago
  You've pierced my completely precise, absolutely airtight choice of language about this situation as some sort of flaw in the greater point being made. Less glibly: a non-profit oriented LLM is just in a little different place on the scale, but doesn't fundamentally change my takeaway. However in this situation it makes it particularly egregious.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    My point is that the scale of how LLMs work doesn't matter with regards to copyright and fair use.
  - gmerc 3y ago
    Anyone will run LLMs locally soon on about every piece of hardware. If it’s part of the system like the network stack / firmware, now does your mental framework work. Progress is murdering their business model. They are trying to stop it; which makes sense, but let’s not pretend the trajectory here isn’t to ubiquitous LLMs everywhere within 3 years. We have to plan for that, assess the benefit for society from that.
gmerc 3y ago
The printer had the same effect on print papers. We didn’t protect them out of the possibility of at scale replacement of their business model.

pixl97 3y ago

>a profit-oriented program The particular problem here is this program isn't magic, it just requires a lot of electricity and hardware to train at the moment. If at some point in the future this hardware becomes cheap then now suddenly OSS LLMs would be under the same set of rules that we're applying to major technology companies. But mark my words, the large copyright holding groups don't give any shits other than how much IP they can scrape up and demand money for, for the next few human lifetimes.

satvikpendem 3y ago

So I can use an open source LLM like Llama then?

HelloMcFly 3y ago
You've pierced my completely precise, absolutely airtight choice of language about this situation as some sort of flaw in the greater point being made. Less glibly: a non-profit oriented LLM is just in a little different place on the scale, but doesn't fundamentally change my takeaway. However in this situation it makes it particularly egregious.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  My point is that the scale of how LLMs work doesn't matter with regards to copyright and fair use.
- gmerc 3y ago
  Anyone will run LLMs locally soon on about every piece of hardware. If it’s part of the system like the network stack / firmware, now does your mental framework work. Progress is murdering their business model. They are trying to stop it; which makes sense, but let’s not pretend the trajectory here isn’t to ubiquitous LLMs everywhere within 3 years. We have to plan for that, assess the benefit for society from that.

gmerc 3y ago

The printer had the same effect on print papers. We didn’t protect them out of the possibility of at scale replacement of their business model.