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> One battery breakthrough will obsolete this entire process Certainly, in year 2060 when it's too late. I can't help thinking that peolle who believe in Rapt

> One battery breakthrough will obsolete this entire process Certainly, in year 2060 when it's too late. I can't help thinking that peolle who believe in Rapture have a similar thought process - if you are holding out for a miracle, it doesn't make sence to put in effort now

jqpabc123 3y ago
Certainly, in year 2060 when it's too late So when will this hydrogen thingy will be ready and economically viable? Don't look now but you might have just as big (if not bigger) case of religion.
- qwytw 3y ago
  So investing it both would be the beast approach (using a ratio based cost effectiveness, viability etc. estimate)?
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    using a ratio based cost effectiveness, viability etc. estimate Isn't this sorta how the "free market" works? People/corporations invest money based on their judgement of viability, effectiveness, etc.. Right now, the majority of the collective mind trust is betting on new battery technology. But feel free to convince them otherwise.
    - pfdietz 3y ago
      It's not as if two different storage modes, with different characteristics, cannot coexist. Batteries are short term storage; hydrogen is long term. They complement each other.
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- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  Hydrogen geberation physically exists and works today, the cost at scale is somewhat in questions Mystery batteries that are cheaper than todays batteries do not exist even in a lab
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    cost at scale is somewhat in questions In other words, it is not economically viable for anything beyond niche applications. Hydrogen is not a fuel. It readily reacts and forms strong chemical bonds with *everything*. It can be manufactured but not without the overall process being energy negative --- a net consumer of energy. Not many applications can realistically absorb this cost.
    - pfdietz 3y ago
      Of course hydrogen is a fuel. The implication you are trying to make there, that hydrogen is useless because its manufacture does not violate conservation of energy, is ridiculous.

jqpabc123 3y ago

Certainly, in year 2060 when it's too late So when will this hydrogen thingy will be ready and economically viable? Don't look now but you might have just as big (if not bigger) case of religion.

qwytw 3y ago
So investing it both would be the beast approach (using a ratio based cost effectiveness, viability etc. estimate)?
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  using a ratio based cost effectiveness, viability etc. estimate Isn't this sorta how the "free market" works? People/corporations invest money based on their judgement of viability, effectiveness, etc.. Right now, the majority of the collective mind trust is betting on new battery technology. But feel free to convince them otherwise.
  - pfdietz 3y ago
    It's not as if two different storage modes, with different characteristics, cannot coexist. Batteries are short term storage; hydrogen is long term. They complement each other.
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ClumsyPilot 3y ago
Hydrogen geberation physically exists and works today, the cost at scale is somewhat in questions Mystery batteries that are cheaper than todays batteries do not exist even in a lab
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  cost at scale is somewhat in questions In other words, it is not economically viable for anything beyond niche applications. Hydrogen is not a fuel. It readily reacts and forms strong chemical bonds with *everything*. It can be manufactured but not without the overall process being energy negative --- a net consumer of energy. Not many applications can realistically absorb this cost.
  - pfdietz 3y ago
    Of course hydrogen is a fuel. The implication you are trying to make there, that hydrogen is useless because its manufacture does not violate conservation of energy, is ridiculous.