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I don’t think you’re doing your arguments favors by comparing weed smell to other avoidable bad smells of people people behaving anti-socially..

by eska 3y ago

fwn 3y ago
As an externality, secondhand smoke tends to affect others. Those affected usually aren't happy about it. There are many externalities that affect others... think of noise, smell, etc. Our parent chose smell as an example. I don't see what's wrong or inappropriate with that. In the end, you have to find some middle ground, and then you have to manage that middle ground, which usually means keeping at bay those who want to ban externalities as well as those who simply want to make no concessions to those affected. It's classic, really. This specific German draft contains very specific ideas on where you can and where you can not smoke and is about to radically reduce the spaces where patients can use medical cannabis as well. We'll see whether parliament will change that.
version_five 3y ago
Yeah I thought that was ridiculous. Basically "other people throw garbage on the ground so I think it's fine to litter".
- version_five 3y ago
  Lol it's amazing to see how defensive people get about letting people use their dirty drugs in public.
- piva00 3y ago
  Good luck trying to regulate how other people can smell in public. Littering at least is a very visible blight that can be somewhat enforced.
  - version_five 3y ago
    I'm advocating not being an asshole, I never mentioned regulation. There is rightfully social stigma about stinking, littering, other antisocial behavior. Just because someone can be disgusting doesn't mean we should be cool with it.
piva00 3y ago
They happen, and are legal. If weed is legal where you smell it then it's not much different and being annoyed by it won't change much, just like body odor, bad cologne, etc. That's my point :)
- eska 3y ago
  And you’re missing OP‘s point. There is a lot of trashy behavior that is legal, that doesn’t make it right (ethically). Our societies have worked without putting everything into law, instead relying on public decency. We don’t put into law how often and how you have to wash yourself, we just assume that most people will do it. But if everyone stopped washing themselves and public transport and the workplace became unbearable you would see legislature follow. Likewise if everyone overused deodorant. I suggest that you consider Kant’s categorical imperative: “ Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law”. What would our society be like if everyone smoked weed and did so everywhere? That would be unenjoyable even for weed smokers. “Others do it too” or “but not everyone does it” don’t make the actions of the few ethical.

I don’t think you’re doing your arguments favors by comparing weed smell to other avoidable bad smells of people people behaving anti-socially..

by eska 3y ago

I don’t think you’re doing your arguments favors by comparing weed smell to other avoidable bad smells of people people behaving anti-socially..

fwn 3y ago

As an externality, secondhand smoke tends to affect others. Those affected usually aren't happy about it. There are many externalities that affect others... think of noise, smell, etc. Our parent chose smell as an example. I don't see what's wrong or inappropriate with that. In the end, you have to find some middle ground, and then you have to manage that middle ground, which usually means keeping at bay those who want to ban externalities as well as those who simply want to make no concessions to those affected. It's classic, really. This specific German draft contains very specific ideas on where you can and where you can not smoke and is about to radically reduce the spaces where patients can use medical cannabis as well. We'll see whether parliament will change that.

version_five 3y ago

Yeah I thought that was ridiculous. Basically "other people throw garbage on the ground so I think it's fine to litter".

version_five 3y ago
Lol it's amazing to see how defensive people get about letting people use their dirty drugs in public.
piva00 3y ago
Good luck trying to regulate how other people can smell in public. Littering at least is a very visible blight that can be somewhat enforced.
- version_five 3y ago
  I'm advocating not being an asshole, I never mentioned regulation. There is rightfully social stigma about stinking, littering, other antisocial behavior. Just because someone can be disgusting doesn't mean we should be cool with it.

piva00 3y ago

They happen, and are legal. If weed is legal where you smell it then it's not much different and being annoyed by it won't change much, just like body odor, bad cologne, etc. That's my point :)

eska 3y ago
And you’re missing OP‘s point. There is a lot of trashy behavior that is legal, that doesn’t make it right (ethically). Our societies have worked without putting everything into law, instead relying on public decency. We don’t put into law how often and how you have to wash yourself, we just assume that most people will do it. But if everyone stopped washing themselves and public transport and the workplace became unbearable you would see legislature follow. Likewise if everyone overused deodorant. I suggest that you consider Kant’s categorical imperative: “ Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law”. What would our society be like if everyone smoked weed and did so everywhere? That would be unenjoyable even for weed smokers. “Others do it too” or “but not everyone does it” don’t make the actions of the few ethical.